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| New Metallica Album i don't know about you guys, (which i doubt you are metallica fans anyway). But i was a huge metallica fan for a long time, i still dig their old stuff but their new album SUCKS! it is the worst piece of crap i have ever heard! well, from a band that is expected to deliver much better stuff. I mean, the title track St. Anger (which is already one hint they've sold out) doesn't even have a guitar solo!!!!! It looks like metallica's goin NU-Metal which is very dissapointing. should metallica stick to the old formula or retire? |
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| Re: New Metallica Album Retire. Then again, I'm no Metallica fan.
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| Re: New Metallica Album personally i dont hear that much nu-metal in the new cd. granted, no solos, but it sounds more like bands such as DOWN and Corrosion of Conformity, to whom Metallica are huge fans. found this review which i think raises some good points. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By WHIPLASH, afternoon dj @ Rock 1057, Peoria, IL.) Metallica’s St. Anger is 75 minutes of aggression, violence, chaos and brutality. It’s an electrical meltdown wrapped inside a nuclear explosion surrounded by a 500 mile earthquake. On this, we all concur. From here, we become less agreeable… After listening to the album twice in its entirety, I’ll state my conclusion now…then spend several paragraphs explaining it…then I’ll state the conclusion again: This is either the worst dumpster-full of rotten, spoiled garbage Metallica has ever written…or it’s brilliantly groundbreaking. But there is no middle ground. This album isn’t "okay." After hearing it twice, it either sucks or it’s phenomenal. I suppose I’ll begin by touching on - and agreeing with - all the negatives about which I’ve heard others chanting. First, someone wake up Kirk Hammett and tell him his band’s recording a new album. His alarm clock has been broken for the last 6 months. Where’s Kirk! You’ve got (arguably) the greatest metal guitarist plugging in next to you, and as a reward for all his years of jaw-dropping, neck-shredding, light speed distorted dominance, you give him a grand total of… ZERO solos? What the f*** guys? In every song, there’s at least 2 places where Kirk could just lift off…but we get nothing. Maybe it was Kirk’s decision…in which case he should be flogged. Maybe it was Bob Rock’s decision…in which case he should be drawn and quartered. Most likely it was a collective decision. Now since we can’t execute the whole quartet, I’ll guess I’ll just shake my head and move on. Secondly, everyone complains about the quality…the production…the mixing…the overall Bob Rocked sound on the record. I agree with the criticisms. St. Anger sounds like it was recorded for less than $1,000 on an 8 track in my friend’s sheet metal garage. Maybe Lars really is broke from Napster, but don’t Metallica have access to a multi-million dollar recording studio with top notch equipment and an unlimited budget? And let’s be honest about Bob Rock…the guy knows his stuff. Dr. Feelgood sounded great. The Black Album was amazingly produced. Bob didn’t suddenly go deaf. You have to believe it was intentional…but why? I’ll get to my theory… Also, in the mix, the drums are WAY too loud. All you can hear is Lars banging on that tin can. The guitars (what little there are) are buried behind "Tama garage fury," as I will now call it. As for James’ vocals…they’re rough. They’re raw. It sounds like he did one take and kept it no matter how it sounded. No overdubs, either. I remember watching A Year & a Half in the Life Of…which documented the recording of the Black Album…and Bob Rock made James sing "…and I dub thee Unforgiven" about 40 different times, keeping every take and overdubbing those vocals until they sounded thick and perfect. What a difference 12 years makes… James is thin, often out-of-key, often missing notes, his voice cracks occasionally. I almost started laughing during the Frantic-tic-tic-tock part of that song it was so out-of-key and warbling. And as for the songs themselves…everyone I’ve talked to says the same thing: "the whole album is the same, repetitive song." It’s true, all the songs sound alike. And yes, all the songs are repetitive, lyrically and musically. The songwriting and arrangement are incredibly subpar compared to past Metallica efforts. Random, pointless time changes litter St. Anger. And several of the songs even start out in the tradition of newer hard rock songs, meaning they play the riff softly, then break into it hardcore. (Think Linkin Park’s One Step Closer or Godsmack’s I Stand Alone.) It’s very typical and, therefore, uncharacteristic of Metallica. I think that’s about it, right? Have I covered all the reasons why most people think this album tanks? Alright, now for the flipside…think about this… Lars warned us for weeks that this record would blow our minds. Critics who heard it early said it was commercial suicide. They would lose all their new Black Album and beyond fans, and their old school fans would be jaded by the lack of creativity, harmony, and guitar solos that were so prevalent on the first 3 albums. Critically, Metallica couldn’t win. We’ve heard this for months. My first point: we shouldn’t ACT so surprised with what we hear. That said, it’s easy to say "oh, yeah…I’m ready for anything," and then you’re presented with St. Anger and your preparation goes out the dirty window because you can’t believe your ears. But here’s my big theory on why this album just might be brilliance in disguise… Metallica have always been anti-glam. Lars has always described them as the anti-Motley Crue. They’ve always gone against the grain, forcing their heaviness down the pop-driven throat of the world. But remember in the late 80s and early 90s when glam was at its peak? Bands like the Crue, Skid Row, Posion, etc. ruled the music scene with their sex, drugs and party attitude accompanied by their teased hair, caked make-up, spandex, leather, lipstick and enough hairspray to make any drag queen proud. At the time, that was the standard, and everyone did it… Then along came a band wearing flannel. Their lead singer couldn’t sing like Sebastian Bach. He looked liked a bum. His name was Kurt. He didn’t use hairspray. He had a band called Nirvana. They could rock too, but they said the hell with this false image. They stripped everything down…naked…rock n roll, depressing lyrics and ripped clothes. And grunge was born. Ten years later, Nirvana is credited with launching a revolution and igniting the hairspray into a flaming glam-wildfire… So what has happened in the 10 years post-Nirvana? Other bands have come and gone. Grunge had its run. Then when hip-hop took off, suddenly rap rock was thrust upon us…Rage Against the Machine. Kid Rock. Limp Bizkit. 311. Technology improved dramatically. Bands like these started using turntables in their sets and on their albums. More crazy sound effects were incorporated in hard rock. Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie pioneered the industrial techno-metal. Korn uses drum machines on their albums. It’s all programmed to sound perfect. Other metal outfits like Iron Maiden and Iced Earth use big orchestras, pianos, voice distortions. Linkin Park uses the digital muting and computerized beats. Guitars are compressed, vocals are overdubbed. It’s technology gone wild to produce the most "perfect-sounding" rock records possible. At this time, it is the standard, and everyone does it… Then along comes a band we know very well. They’ve gone through a lot in the past few years. They’ve lost their bassist. They’ve been tangled in unpopular lawsuits. Their front man was in rehab for alcoholism. They can still rock too…but they said the hell with this false image that "hi-tech is best." So they stripped everything down…naked…heavy metal, angry lyrics. Raw. No technology. No effects. No orchestra. No drum machine. No vocal overdubs. And St. Anger was born. They say things move in cycles. In ‘83, Kill ‘Em All wasn’t popular. It was raw. It was basic thrash metal. Very good thrash metal…but it was simple. Now in ‘03, twenty years later, Metallica have gone full circle. St. Anger is simple. And although not as creative as the debut, it’s more like that record than any other. So by this analogy (the same way that Nirvana was anti-glam, St. Anger is anti-technology), is Metallica’s new CD fresh and ground-breaking? Or is it more a return to roots? Given the cyclic nature of things, can it be both? If this album is brilliant, it’s because it was written by a band that could have done something else. They have the money. They have the talent. They have the resources and the best producer in the world. They CHOSE to make St. Anger the way it is, and they did it on purpose. They see how hi-tech hard rock and heavy metal is becoming…so they put out a record that was completely the opposite. They put out a record that was about music…about feelings…about deep emotions. Not one about how many cool samples and effects we can mix together with our budget. St. Anger is a human record. It’s raw. It’s imperfect. It’s real. It’s…human. Isn’t it refreshing to hear a human record in such a computerized world? I think so… And the more I think about it, the more this idea seems brilliantly groundbreaking. Maybe the songs themselves aren’t spectacular, but the POINT they make, from their production quality to their content give the album an amazing cohesion…a unity that gives modern techo-rock the finger. Actually, St. Anger pretty much gives everything the finger. But here’s the kicker… It could be said that any garage band from Peoria could make a record that sounds like the new Metallica CD. Why aren’t they considered groundbreaking in their stripped-down, simple philosophy? Well, because our Peoria garage band is poor. Their record HAS to sound naked. And they have no history. Metallica has 20 years of legacy and expectations. And for Metallica to do this by choice, gives the idea its appeal. It had to be the right band at the right time…and Metallica stepped up to the plate to carry the torch. So if I’m right…if this album is brilliant, does it represent the future of hard rock? Will it have that much influence? Or does the public still want more years of super techo computerized ultra produced rock that showcases megabytes and digitalia instead of talent and songwriting? I don’t know… Now the conclusion again. This album is either a serious mistake and the biggest load of crap Metallica ever penned…or it’s brilliant and could change the sound of hard rock for the next 10 years. Think about it…I’m gonna go listen to the CD again because I have a feeling it's really, really good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Purple_Sky : 06-18-2003 at 12:08 AM. |
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| Re: New Metallica Album Quote:
For Whom The Bell Tolls doesn't have a guitar solo
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| Re: New Metallica Album i think it sucks. but thats just me.
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| Re: New Metallica Album I won't even bother with it.
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| Re: New Metallica Album I'm also a little 'tallica-Fan and think too, that their new album is just crap. Kill'em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets and ...And Justice For All are masterpieces. But the rest... to poppy. The new album is like Limp Bizkit or Linkin' Park and that stuff. There's no melody. They just said, that they wanna make hard and loud sound. But where are those classic melodies? And the great guitar soli? The old songs had a pretty complex structure, but the new ones... just noise. Hear to Master Of Puppets and you know, what I mean.
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| Re: New Metallica Album FWTBT may not have a guitar solo, but the album containing it has enough to back it up |
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| Re: New Metallica Album i do believe the new album is not quite great. but i ask you this, do you think they didnt put in solos because A) Kirk or even James didnt have the talent to make any or B) they did it for a reason. I dont really know where they are going with this but, im sure they know what they are doing. We dont have the whole story. Just look at the question about the solo thing, they might be doing this for a reason as in the article it stated. This may be the kill 'em all of the new metallica. this may be the re-re-re-re-loaded shit of metallica. who knows, we may know later on. |
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| Re: New Metallica Album Robert Trujillo is awesome, love that dude, have his guitar pick from last year's Ozzfest, love him...and you all know the James is playing Bass for Ozzy this year right? Pretty cool.
__________________ Negative infinity man. Speak for yourself, I'm the most optimistic person I know. Cheer up though man, it's not all that bad |
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| Re: New Metallica Album wow, james with ozzy? sounds like an interesting combination. I'm curious to see how that sounds |
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| Re: New Metallica Album No no no...Check it out..Ozzy, Zakk and James. Hell yeah. It's gonna be awesome! And don't forget Michael Bordin...
__________________ Negative infinity man. Speak for yourself, I'm the most optimistic person I know. Cheer up though man, it's not all that bad |
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| Re: New Metallica Album but see the thing is, metallica has made their mark on music, they need to stick with who they are, or were, or give it up. |
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| Re: New Metallica Album It's certainly a reinvention, but it's a best foot forward styled one, compared to the crappy C+W and ridiculous Kaman styled 'fusion' of the last few years. It would have been so interesting to go back and somehow subvert Cliff Burton's death and the difference that it would have made to where they are now. I mean, bloody hell, they actually became older than Pink Floyd during the 90's and as uncool as hell. This new album, whilst it may be just a tad contrived is such a positive undertaking and good on them for it.
__________________ Last edited by fixxlevy : 06-19-2003 at 01:05 AM. |
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| Re: New Metallica Album Well..... This new album in the market..... called 'St Anger'...... is it from Metallica..... i fail to recognise it. No melody, no solo, feels like poor Hammet's talents are going waste..... gone are the days of Wolf and the Man. Either they should get back to playing what they used to play before or just retire. This new age crap is all just sounds without sense, atleast in my opinion. Anyway Personally I hated it. |
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