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Old 06-16-2002, 12:10 PM
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Is the song 'Money' anti-capitalistic?

I was just wondering what everyone thought about the song Money. I think the lyrics are kind of anti-capitalism, but I guess it could have different meanings. So what's everyone think?
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Old 06-16-2002, 02:11 PM
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Re: Is the song 'Money' anti-capitalistic?

I think the song was going a long with the theme of Dark Side as a whole...particularly the fact that greed can be a driving force in people's decisions and actions in modern society.

...or something like that.
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What Wingy said.
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Old 06-16-2002, 02:40 PM
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Re: Is the song 'Money' anti-capitalistic?

Well, it is interesting that you bring this up because if you ask me, yes, money is anti- capitalistic. Roger Waters' wife at the time of Dark Side of the Moon, Judy, was, like me, a firm trotskyist. I know Roger was pretty socialist, and Animals showed that even more, but I don't know if he was quite as firm in his beliefs as Judy.

I certainly hope it isn't pro- capitalism, or my love of Pink Floyd will decrease dramatically, though I don't really like Dark Side of The Moon anyway, I am more of a Final Cut man.
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"Money" anticapitalistic?

I think it probably is, in a way. I think when Roger wrote it, that's one of the things he had in mind, since that is the general direction of his politics. But more, I believe Rog meant to ridicule the wealthy (of all stripes) who place their love of money above all else, making it their god. True, there are likely more rich capitalists than rich socialists (except for the Hollywood left, and a-holes like Ted Kennedy who inherited his wealth, but feels so guilty about it that he wants to give everyone else's away).
I believe a monetary system is an absolute necessity, regardless of the political, social or economic system in force. Think what a pain-in-the-ass it would be to have to barter for everything.
Tark, how would the Trotskyites handle that? Does the State come by the people's farm and pick up your potatoes, and drop off all the other life necessities? Or do you just go stand in different lines to be given what you want?
Bottom line, I believe Roger was just listing the struggle to earn a living (money) as one of life's problems we all have to deal with.

P.S. Maybe if Roger would have written it purely from a Trotskyite perspective, it would have been called "Potatoes."
....Potatoes.......get a-hoein'....pick out a row and hoe, keep a-goin'.......
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Re: Is the song 'Money' anti-capitalistic?

Blasphemy you speak about not liking Dark Side. what is with these new smilies?
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Re: Is the song 'Money' anti-capitalistic?

i don't know but why aren't there any dirty ones?
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Re: "Money" anticapitalistic?

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P.S. Maybe if Roger would have written it purely from a Trotskyite perspective, it would have been called "Potatoes."
....Potatoes.......get a-hoein'....pick out a row and hoe, keep a-goin'.......

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Re: "Money" anticapitalistic?

Alright, step aside. The trotskyite is coming through.

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P.S. Maybe if Roger would have written it purely from a Trotskyite perspective, it would have been called "Potatoes."
....Potatoes.......get a-hoein'....pick out a row and hoe, keep a-goin'.......

While very amusing, this little joke has many errors. The most obvious of all, is probably the fact that "pick out a row and hoe, keep it goin'" has ten (count them... 10) syllables. The original lyric that fills in that section of music has 11. I would suggest the following:
"potatoes... get a hoein'... pick out a row and hoe, now keep a- goin'"

This is immeasurably better. There is no conceivable system of measurement that can even begin to comprehend the vast superiority of my version compared to yours.

The second error, while not as obvious as the first, is much more important. Talking so much about potatoes leads the mind to think that Trotsky was a man that worked quite closely with the peasants in the revolution. This would be an error. When Trotsky was a young scholar, he was a follower of Narodnik beliefs rather than the beliefs of Marxists. In fact, he and his second wife, a Marxist, would argue constantly over the two ideologies, but I believe that by the time they were married, Trotsky was already converted to Marxism. anyway, these people, the Narodniks, believed that it was the peasants and farming people that would bring about social change, unlike the Marxists, who believed that the proletarian class would lead the revolution. Alot of narodniks went back to the villages from the cities to deal with the peasants, but found basically no support from them. By the time he had anything to do with any sort of revolution, Trotsky was one of the most firm believers that it would be the proletariat and not the peasantry that would carry out much of the revolution.

And as for money, bourgeosis methods of payment and law are for the most part still needed in socialist society until all remains of capitalist culture are gone. Then people use little cards, which I assume are like foodstamps, to pay for things. You should read "State and Revolution" by Lenin. I think that goes into that.
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Wheew....you're a bonified know it all a**hole. Oh, 'scuse me, sorry...have to mind my country manners and likewise sayings...what I meant was, nice to meet you, welcome to the forum.
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Thanks Wing'd Icarus. I knew you Pink Floyd fans were warm, welcoming folks!
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