The Final Cut (on behalf of Tarkus)

Hi, Tarkus--I didn't find this earlier, but I thought I'd move it into the forums for discussion...

Here's what Tarkus has to say about The Final Cut.

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What an incredible album! I am not sure, but this may be what I consider to be the best Pink Floyd album. Roger Waters is a true genius and this album certainly leaves no doubt, at least for many people. Many people don't like this album much, but if you ask me it is a dramatic improvement over Dark Side of the Moon. Now I know many of you are screaming, "Blasphemy", but all it would take would be a few of us Final Cut fanns to unionize, organize ourselves, and we could form a revolutionary new group that almost overnight takes The Final Cut from not on the charts to the very top.
Sorry, I got a bit carried away, but really, listen to The Final Cut, then listen to A Momentary Lapse of Reason, and then listen to The Final Cut again. Then, cry, because you know that I am right.

I know it, but I still don't cry!

The Final Cut... by far one of the best, if not THE best Floyd album... Sure, most of it is sang on a low quiet voice, like Southhampton Dock, but doesn't music like Gunners Dream and The Final Cut make you cry... Well, it's very emotional... Plus, satiric. "What have we done... Maggie, what have we done... What have we done, to England. Should we shout, should we scream, what happened to the post war dream" and Breznhev took Afghanistan, Begin took Beirut, Galtieri took the Uniooon Jack! etc.
Plus, a touch of grace with Not now John: **** all that!
Fletcher Memorial... Boom Boom, bang bang... It's all so real, the final solution, all of it. He held the blade in trembling hands, prepared to make it but, just then the phone rang, he never had the nerve to make the final cut...
I think people can't just admit that Final Cut was their last succes. Yeah, sure, A momentary Lapse of reason is good, good songs, good music, but it ain't Pink Floyd... How can you take someone who had played in the band since 1960', and had something to do with every song, and say: It's the same! No, it's not! What if Division Bell is good: High Hopes, Keep Talking... Marooned, but it's even less Pink Floyd. People say Syd barrett shoud have continued playing. Yeah, I like Syd Barrett, but the band would have never rise up from that stage. "One hit wonder"... 25 years of doing something, then the core is remooved... Damn, let's remember the good days: Pink Floyd, the real Pinl Floyd, Pink Floyd + Waters... they went down in glory, and even so, they didn't go down. If all of us would go donw like that, it would be great! They made history as they lived it...
I'm a little bit emotionaly disturbed... My father went to school dressed in black, in the 70', one day. The techer askedL did someone in your familly died. He said: Yeah! Jimmy Hendrix! Pink Floyd, at my 15 years, are legends of the music life, from stardom!

Personally, I think Gilmour kept the name for it's drawing power. Which is understandable. Most of us would do something that enabled us to make more money rather than less. As in floyd show versus solo Gilmour show. I never said Gilmour did it out of greed. I said he did it for money. There's a difference. I'm talking about him using the name for his solo album. AMLOR. He wanted to call it PF and I have accepted that. He pulled it off.

As far as charity goes, I think it's best when your giving doesn't get announced like a news event. I have heard people say 'what does Waters give?' Well, most people don't announce it to the world so we don't know.

I heard that British people consider it bad taste if you boast about the donations you've made to charity. I remember that Phil Collins said it in one of my magazines I have lying around.

Anyway, that is one odd, yet cool avatar you've got there, Sarah. Where the hell did you get that?

The final cut =

I listen to The Final Cut, then I listen to AMLOR, and then I cry, because it so relieving to hear MUSIC, as opposed to ranting.

Well, it is refreshing to find a 15 year-old with such convictions about our favourite band, but (hands up, (COMMA, FWr!) all those who KNEW I was going to say "but") ...but, I really must correct a couple of your more glaring mistakes.

Syd, Roger, Richard and Nick started using the name "Pink Floyd" in one form or another in 1965.

If Roger's departure meant Pink Floyd was never the same again, then surely Rick's ousting from The Wall should qualify for invalidation of the "Pink Floyd" entity, and the fact that David only appears once on The Final Cut, and Nick, I believe, not at all should disquailfy it from being considered a true Floyd product.

You cannot have one rule for one original band member, and not the same rule for the others. Just isn't fair, you see?

Still, welcome and stick to your guns and don't let anyone, not even me, change your mind on Pink Floyd. You think and believe what you like.

Shine on!
BoaB (it seems "Byron" is just too difficult for some people)

Well said Brian.

Sorry, BoBa.

How about Rog using the name for HIS solo album. The Final Cut ?

Or doesn't that count ??

Here we go again, the ol' Rog v dave argument.

Fight's on!!!

This is a fight with no resolution or winners.......but what the hell........bring it on !!

About The Final Cut:
It's not Floyd's best album because it's not Floyd anyway.
About Gilmour vs. Waters, remember:
"Don't give in without a fight."

I have to say TFC is not so bad as a lot of people make it out to be. I think it's superior to The Wall, and probably Mr. Waters' second best album under The Final Cut. It DOES have music--although not as strong, I think Mr. Waters' vocals do a good job of compensating. The sound effects do make it feel as if you could be in various places he describes. It does tell a story and have a flow to it. I wouldn't even call it a Floyd album--but I acknowledge it on its own merit as a good album.

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You're an odd one, Sarah.