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That's an interesting connection I'd never made before.

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I was also thinking about this one. When i first heard the song the trial, when pinks wife was speaking, i thought it was 2 differnt people. I think it was supposed to be like the part with you little shit... etc was supposed to be whisperd to Pink himself and the rest talking about how she had it so rough was to everyone. Im thinking this was to show how she was 2 sided in their relationship and that it wasnt all Pinks fault

I haven't seen the movie "The Dambusters," but due to the title it's probably about destroying dams (yeah, right). But what is a dam? It's basically a big wall. A rather simplistic connection but a connection nonetheless.

this is true. and a wall that separates at that.

Excellent point. "Busting" the dams="Tear down the Wall", allowing once again the free natural flow of the river (human emotions).

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You guys are too much!!

I could never hear those background speeched.. no matter how hard I tried. But I have a things about the nazi bit though...


Well, wasn't that happened in Germany during WW II?? I mean all those people fighting in the name of National Socialism? And in the end, Hitler had become so delusional that he held on to the belief that 12 year old boys (and girls!) would fight Russian tanks at the gates of Berlin!!




How true... how true of that dictator known as Adolf Hitler...
Actually all throughout the movie there is plenty of references to Germany and Nazism. But I guess I'm drifting off topic.

My 2c worth anyway!

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I think that, while it was true for Hitler to the extreme, sometimes "ordinary" people become warped and show the same traits...just on a smaller scale. Just a thought.

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We all have that potential. If conditions are right then these feelings will emerge. As they did in Nazi Germany. Lets not forget other countries do the same thing (America during the Red Scare for example). Its happening now.

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Happens all the bloodytime don't it?! Misunderstanding and miscommunication. I also feel that on a much smaller scale, The Wall is also about the lack of communication between peoples... even on a face to face basis. We've become so used to 'reading between the lines' that even during plain talks, we try to catch the meaning of some non-existant 'in between' !!

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You also might want to take a look at the hammer logo. Remind you of anything?

And not to mention that Pink has two of these logos on each sleeve of his military-like coat.

The truth is out there...

Actually, it's crystal clear, I think. I don't know if this has been already mentioned, but Roger himself pointed out in an interview that if you listen, at the end of "In The Flesh" you can hear people screaming "hammer, hammer" from the right channel and "Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd" from the left one! This symbolizes, according to Roger, the audience of Pink Floyd's show turning into a crowd of fascists.

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Maybe this will be of some interest.....

Back in 1980 after Seeing The Wall show at Earls Court in London. I heard that there was going to be an in depth interview with Mr Rogers regarding the Wall and its concepts on BBC Radio. As you can imagine I was quite excited about this and proceeded to tape the interview. Unfortunately, as the tape is in America and I am in England I cant access it and give give direct quotes but I can remember quite well what was said...

During the course of the interview, Waters was trying to be somewhat jovial about it all (bless him) but he did give some very insightful comments nevertheless. The first point that he wanted to get accross was the fact that he used many metaphors and analogies. Firstly he always felt that the fans, particularly in America where the infamous "Festival Seating" policy was in effect, were very similiar to charging soldiers in war. Rushing in mindlessly to gain "territory" "Worms" were is symbol for decay. particularly when, in this case, the mind is not working properly the worms appear and take over. He also mentioned that he felt his marriage to Caroline (I believe her name was) was a "Battlefield" again linked to the subject of war. The bit in the film where the chamber maid tries to enter his room is compared with the fans trying to gain entry to the venue...both an infringement on his "space"

Most interestingly, the bit where he is being injected by the doctor to help him "get through the show" was based on a real experience he had during the Animals tour where he was suffering from hepatitus (sp) and was given some kind of mind altering drug because the promoters were not about to cancel the show. At this point in the interview he goes on to say that during that tour where he admits to being quite mentally ill, he felt that he had an almost dictorial hold of his audience and that they were indeed "pupets" for his manipulation. He went on to admit that his feelings at the time were wrong and even went as far as to make an apology on air to the person he imfamously spat on during that tour!!!! (It was actually quite funny)

The connection between the comment about Hitler from The Damnbusters Pink was watching on the telly and him turning into a fascist leader at that point in the film, never occured to me, but it makes perfect sense. He was dillusional at the time because of the drugs and his already fragile state of mind. And as he already had ill feelings toward his fans, when he gets to the gig his transformation is complete. The fact that the fans already "know" the slogans etc.. is all part of his illusion. In reality the show is going on as "normal" but what we see in the film is his "fantasy" if you like.....

He also stated that there was no particular end as such to the film, it was a kind of "make your own mind up thing" He later reiterated this in susequent interviews I've read since Personally I thought this could be inteperated as the wall has come down but the road to recovery is just begining......

Anyway...sorry for being so long winded!!!! Hope its helpful!!!

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Brilliant! Not long-winded at all.

This is what APFFN is really all about. I think.

I was on TDY (temporary duty) in Las Vegas for "Red Flag" (The USAF's "Top Gun") in '79 when I heard snatches of a Waters interview on radio, promoting The Wall I suppose, but I only heard him talking about Syd taking just too many drugs, so this may have been a recorded snippet.

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Clear as crystal, wildman. That's a very good explanation.

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