Gilmour the Floyd Bassist???

Read the article under News/interviews "Careful with that axe" where gilmour says he played quite a lotta bass....ok he played fretless one on Hey You,but what about Money?and those improvised ones.....if you listen carefully i think Rog has done quite a job with his own style give or take a fretless "Hey You" sort...after all Dave cant quote anyother song than this one.

As I've said before, Roger is a fantastic rhythmic bass player and Dave is a better melodic player. To dismiss Roger's bass playing as subpar is to focus too heavily on one aspect of the bass player's job, and not his primary role: holding the band together. There are a few songs for which Roger never played the bass in live shows, and to which we can safely outrule his contributions in the studio. But Gilmour's claim that he was responsible for the majority of the catalogue's basswork is greatly exaggerated. Up to Dark Side of the Moon, Roger Waters played nearly all of it... and this is well-documented.

"One of These Days" is a notable exception for having both of them playing at once, and that comment about Roger being unable to keep it up for the whole song is utter crap - he did it every night onstage for years. "Hey You" is entirely Dave's fretless work, ditto "Pigs (Three Different Ones)". But Roger plays rhythm guitar on those songs, as well. Never underestimate his rhythmic contributions.

Other Floyd tracks I've seen Dave get bass credit for: The Narrow Way, Fat Old Sun, Echoes, A Pillow of Winds, Sheep

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I think there are alot of people out there who have something against Roger for whatever reason, and try to take things like this too far. So David layed down a few bass tracks to the songs that Roger wrote? Thats like saying half of the live guitar Gilmour performed was done by Snowy White, and Snowy took all the hard parts...Nobody in the band sang on 'Have A Cigar', but that doesnt mean they all suck, just that someone else was the right person for that particular song...

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Gilmour was a more proficient musician and Waters was better writing lyrics (AND he did write several wonderful tunes)... So what?

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Haha Roger.

All in all, this just shows that they were musical genious' together, and that's what makes Pink Floyd so special.

David Gilmour: Excelent guitarist, great mellow vocals.
Roger Waters: Great song writer, awsome vocals for those really high notes.

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Not to veer of course with this subject but Jimi Hendrix played many of Noel Reddings bass parts on the Experience albums. Many of the Beach Boys records have studio musicians on them includin' Pet Sounds.Also playin Live and in the studio is like apple and oranges you can't compare the two. Does Roger suck on the Bass?hardly. Is Dave a better musician? Probably.Heh Sid Vicious couldn't play for crap half the time they unplugged him live because he was so bad. Also Keith Moon needed a replacement on The music must change(Who are You) because he couldn't play in that time signature. Does that mean he sucked too? Hardly i say.

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There's no 'wild guesses' involved. Gilmour has said several times that he played a large amount of the bass parts, because it was quicker to do it that way (I think someone else posted the name of the particular article). Gilmour also said Waters was given 'bass player' awards for parts that were actually played by David, and Roger would say "thanks Dave"!!

You're not going to get photographic evidence (unless you can carbon date negatives to that day they were in the studio)...but the fact that Gilmour has said it, and Roger hasn't disagreed suggests it's the truth.

As to the question of "how did Roger play those parts live"...the short answer is he didn't. Bootlegs of the animals tour show the bass lines were far less complicated than the original recording...and they also had a second bass player for fretless parts etc.

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Finally. Was waiting for someone to point that out. Fact is that Waters isnt a good bass player, and he had to struggle with rythms too.

Indeed.

I tell it how I see it.

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Oooh another misguided sole...or a red herring?
Thats what the session artists/augmenting musicians/and the others are for!Isnt it their job to provide the needful musical passage while the rest of the bands goes about doing the main parts?Well give me one sure shot evidence of 7/8 bass riff not being played by rog while he himself created that riff and devised for Money ;or for that matter the superb one's on any colour you like......why go so much back in time...in title track of atd ...its the goosebumps raising bass /rhythm build up that can provide a photographic element of Rog doing that bass/holding the band together as Botley said above and also handling the writing jobs,live MC,etc etc....Yep that someone is me requesting to plz go thru the article "Interview with BDG(note-Its only Dave's PoV being reproduced in the article at APFFN called "Careful With That Axe...."Of course Dave can also say he would be visited by martians at night and then provide him a note/scale tabulature for some new songs and then make him mimic their finger works as Dave couldnt read notations then......And then the martian would come and say ....Yeooh Beep...thanks Dave?"And the riff on have a cigar beats dave's claim or just go ahead watch Pompei....some might say "FLEA" was mentioned on the sleeve of ATD but doesnt paly in any song...Rog has already said that they were going to do Its a Miracle with funky sort of bass by Flea,but instead Patrick and He himself felt the solo piano and drums version.Its only for the token of thanks that Rog mentioned Flea in ATD liner notes.Its a free world ...and now every body can claim he did it!!!!
....Que Cera Cera.....Rog can play bass and sorry I DONT AGREE WITH ANYONE WHO SAYS ROG CANT PLAY RHYTHM....sorry for those who suffer such delusions....

I can play bass too...that doesn't mean I played on any PF albums.

The thread doesn't ask whether Roger can play...it asks if Gilmour played a lot of the parts. He did! The fact of the matter is...Roger isn't capable of reproducing them.

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Plz provide proof;as far as TIME is concerned he did it damn well while here in India on ITF'02 tour 13 th april bangalore.So what neither does Dave play it ;wasn't it the reason for full time augmentation of Rick's son-in-law (?) as bassist?

You heard / seen Rog playing fretless...heard / seen Rog playing slap (like David does on Pigs TDO), heard / seen Rog play like Guy Pratt?

I saw Roger live too, and I've watched ITF, and the live-8 gig, and none of it makes me think he's 'Jeff Beck on bass'. Don't get me wrong...he's written some of the best lyrics ever...and the riff in Money is cool but, to quote Gilmour: "he's not a great musician, our Rog, bless him, he just isn't".

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