Gilmour the Floyd Bassist???

I don't see how it matters if Gilmour did in fact play much of the bass. Like someone said earlier, they all had a part. And like a true band, once in awhile one band member would go out of his "part" and help another with his "part". Doesn't mean one is better than the other, just means they were a team. And that is why (in my eyes) Pink Floyd was so great. They didn't just do "their thing" and make great music, they worked together, and figured out what was best for all.

And bout Waters playing live bass that Gilmour played in the studio, I'm sure Rog eventually learned how to play it. Maybe not everything, but for the most part. C'mon, Rog couldn't have been as terrible at playing the bass as some people here say. If he was I doubt he would've been in the band, even with his lyrics.

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Is Roger one of the sopranos? That's pretty impressive.

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If David Gilmour said that Roger Waters isnt a great musician, it probably had something to do with the fact that Roger wrote the Wall or maybe DSOTM, and the best thing David Gilmour ever wrote was umm....uhhh...Yea thats what I thought. I dont want to hear about how he wrote the solo in Comfortably Numb or co-wrote Young Lust either...Any decent guitar player can write a solo to a complete song. There are plently of great musicians on this forum who can attest to this im sure.

And Im not taking anything away from David's playing, because he is my favorite guitar, one of the best ever if you ask me, and Roger is my favorite song writer and I think a good bass player. But if Gilmour really called Roger a bad musician, that just means hes either jealous, an idiot, or both. I mean he IS still living in denial by putting stickers sayin he was the "voice of Pink Floyd" on his new albums...dont make me laugh

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"I know I'm not gonna sing every note in tune, I know the notes I play on bass will not be perfectly expressed or played in perfect time, but what will happen is I'm gonna be there, really be there, the real me, not something I pretend to be" - Roger Waters

"Any decent guitar player can write a solo to a complete song"
A decent guitarist can write a solo to complete a song, but nothing less than a genious can write something like the Comf Numb solo. And one must remember that Mr. Gilmour provided the guitarwork on almost every bloody song theyve got, and thats partly what makes the damn band good.

Second, most musicians notice the fact that Mr. Waters isnt more than decent on the bass.
And as the musician i am, you can actually notice the fact that Waters isnt any good at the way he plays the bass. It doesnt look comfortable at all. It looks struggled and overconcentrated. Ah hell, i wont even continue argumenting. Its obvious. And i need to point out that the bassparts are more than good enough.

Ok, just to prove I have a right to be speaking on this subject, I guess I have to provide some of my credentials. I am a drummer/bass player who has been playing drums for roughly 12 years. I am also a teacher. If you would like to hear some of my work, www.alightmusic.com

With that out if the way, I would like to point out that there has to be some difference between Mr. Waters bass playing and most musicians, because he was played for, and led mind you, the greatest rock band of all time. If he was truly the awful bass player that some people on this thread are saying he was, David Gilmour and Rick Wright would have simply kicked him out of the band. The 1990's are proof that they had no moral qualms about taking Rogers songs around and making money off of them, so why wouldnt they have just kicked him out earlier? Gilmours bass playing on a the songs he played on obviously didnt bother him, so why does it bother anyone else?

Just go ahead and admit you dont like Roger and you will feel better.

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"I know I'm not gonna sing every note in tune, I know the notes I play on bass will not be perfectly expressed or played in perfect time, but what will happen is I'm gonna be there, really be there, the real me, not something I pretend to be" - Roger Waters

First off, David wrote the music to Com Numb... NOT just the guitar solo. Kind of hard to have great lyrics without great music huh? You are obviously one of the anti-gilmour people. It is funny how you slam Dave all day, then say how other people hate Rog. Dave wrote LOTS of great music. Look at the album credits from many of their albums. His name is under many of their great songs. Stop the Dave hating... It gets really old.

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If you watch Adrian Maben's making-of DVD, you'll hear examples of Roger singing every part in the opera... soprano, alto, tenor, baritone, bass, the lot. He composed practically every melody by singing the parts in his own range and then transposing them with tape speed for the demo recording.

But this isn't a debate about whether either of them are good songwriters (they both have their moments of brilliance), it's about who played bass and why.

Roger Waters is Pink Floyd's bassist, David Gilmour is its guitarist, but they both switched roles at various times.

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Ok, where are you getting the idea that Gilmour wrote comfortably numb? Do you own a copy of the album? It was COWRITTEN by Gilmour, not written by him. Look at the credits. Yea, his name is under many of the great songs, just like Nick Masons is, because they were all members of the same band it all of them were required to make the music.

Also, and most importantly, where were you when I said that and I quote "And Im not taking anything away from David's playing, because he is my favorite guitar, one of the best ever if you ask me" How is it that I'm hating Dave again? Before you accuse me of being anti Gilmour, you should have read my other post. So I am obviously NOT one of your so called "anti Gilmour people", but I am, however, offended if he really did say that Roger isnt a good musician. Thats just not the case, and a very juvinile thing to say.

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"I know I'm not gonna sing every note in tune, I know the notes I play on bass will not be perfectly expressed or played in perfect time, but what will happen is I'm gonna be there, really be there, the real me, not something I pretend to be" - Roger Waters

Gilmour wrote the music, Waters wrote the lyrics. Gilmour composed the music near the end of the sessions for his 1st solo album in 1978 (there are demos of this around on the web), but didn't include it...perhaps it wasn't mature enough yet. When The Wall came around, Gilmour fought to get his music compositions (CN, Run Like Hell, Young Lust) included on the album.


(P.S. How'd I do, Botley?)

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Ok, like I said, everyone was equally as important in the production of every song and album Floyd did. It wouldnt have been the same with any one of the 4 pieces missing. I think Botley said it best in an earlier post,
Roger Waters is Pink Floyd's bassist, David Gilmour is its guitarist, but they both switched roles at various times.

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"I know I'm not gonna sing every note in tune, I know the notes I play on bass will not be perfectly expressed or played in perfect time, but what will happen is I'm gonna be there, really be there, the real me, not something I pretend to be" - Roger Waters

Pretty well spot on. However, Roger revised the song's structure and wrote a new verse melody to fit his lyrics, so it's not wholly Dave's music. Of course, Bob Ezrin and Michael Kamen both contributed to the music as well - they wrote the prominent and (IMHO) essential orchestral score. Only the lyrics are non-collaborative.

A similar technique was used to compose "Dogs": Dave wrote the original chord progression on guitar, but both he and Roger collaborated on the arrangement and melody before Roger wrote (and then re-wrote) the lyrics. I also think the fact that Dave played bass primarily on songs for which Roger played guitar ("Sheep", "Pigs", "Hey You", etc.) speaks volumes about Rog's concern for the core rhythmic drive of his music over individual bass notes and other frills.

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Botley... one question. How do you fit soo many factual information in your head? You are the Pink Floyd wiz

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It all makes logical sense, that's how. It's like fitting in puzzle pieces... when you have a good theory, the facts tend to adhere to it.

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how can you be so sure i won't call down the rain?
what do you teach your little children about me?
you point your gun, wait, hide and run. i see it plain

Well if it works for you then that's good.

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