Will The Real Pink Floyd Please Tour!

Okay, but does any of this mean they're all ever likely to appear again on stage together?

I would say...No chance.

Everything you have just said is crap. First of all, saying they need to have extra musicians. There is a lot of different instruments that need to be incorporated - Gilmour doesn't have four hands! Glimour doesn't have a three octave vocal range to sing Great Gig, now does he? Wake the **** up, you reject! They've been using extra musicians for decades!

And saying that Guy playing Rogers bass parts is pretty sad. Guy is 100 times the bassist Roger is.

They are PINK FLOYD.

Roger said that the Floyd without him puts out music that is a reasonable facsimile.

In other words, without me it's a copy.

I maintain and always will maintain that Roger is not as responsible for the music as many believe. The lyrics, yes. The music, no.

Gilmour is a far more talented musician than Waters.

IMO.

PS: You'll also notice I use no personal attacks or smarmy comments in my responses.

Exactly!

This is NOT an instance of Roger saying he was Pink Floyd.

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact Roger was the primary songwriter on DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut.

You have to remember that there are a large number of very talented musicians on this planet who are not as good at writing songs as "lesser-talented" musicians. Heck, there are a lot of very talented musicians who couldn't write a good song if their life depended on it.

Who is "personally attacking" someone in here? Who is posting "smarmy comments"?

Really? Did you know that Roger did not produce The Wall? It was Ezrin and Gilmour who produced that album. Roger never knew how to produce, never has known how to produce and never will know how to produce records. Producing is a very important part of making records and The Wall wouldn't have sounded even remotely like it is if Ezrin and Gilmour didn't contribute a shitload of production and (I might add) arrangement work to The Wall. You want fact, that's a fact! I don't care what the credits say. One more time for the world - Roger Waters doesn't know jack shit about producing!

Of course it is. Wake up.

It says right on the bloody album "Produced by David Gilmour, Bob Ezrin and Roger Waters. Co-produced and Engineered by James Guthrie."

I suppose they just felt like giving Roger a producer credit so he could get a slice of their pie! This explains why they left Rick and Nick off the production credits too! David and Bob were REALLY calling the shots, so they're really the ones responsible for Rick getting all pissed during the recording of The Wall!

I suppose it's really David who produced every Pink Floyd album after SOS too!

This explains why Waters now has solo jurisdiction over everything related to The Wall too!

OH YES, this also explains the thematic continuity of the album! Roger Waters knows nothing about thematic continuity in any sense! Just listen to Roger's solo albums and then the incredible concept albums MLOR and TDB, both produced by Ezrin and Gilmour!

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Roger never knew how to produce, never has known how to produce and never will know how to produce records.

Kind of like how David will never realize what the songs are really about?

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Producing is a very important part of making records and The Wall wouldn't have sounded even remotely like it is if Ezrin and Gilmour didn't contribute a shitload of production and (I might add) arrangement work to The Wall.

Yes! I see! Ezrin and Gilmour produced The Wall without Waters, and this explains why MLOR and TDB are so much like The Wall! They're all tremendous epics and the producers, Bob and David, are responsible for this! I mean, Waters never produced MLOR and TDB too! Yes! Thank you for making it so clear!

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You want fact, that's a fact!

I can play games all day long.

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I don't care what the credits say. One more time for the world - Roger Waters doesn't know jack shit about producing!

Here's something else for the world - Roger Waters never really wrote the lyrics! It was all Nick's work! He just hogged the credit! Never mind that nobody apparently had a problem with this "hogging," just take my word for it! It only makes sense! We're dealing with a multi-million dollar brand name in Pink Floyd, and credit hogging went on just because!

I don't care what the credits say! Roger Waters doesn't know jack shit about writing lyrics!

Nope. He's saying it's not the same as it was with him. He's saying they tried to replicate what they did with him, but they couldn't actually do it because they did not have him.

It's quite simple.

R.PITI,

Look, I'm talking about The Wall here. Quit bringing other albums into this ok. It is a fact that Ezrin and Gilmour produced The Wall - I can send you a detailed radio interview with all three of these people explaining the situation, if you want? Pm me ok? I know Roger is an excellent songwriter and lyricist - I agree with you. But I'm talking about PRODUCTION here. You know what that means? It makes a very big difference. Roger always has had this arrogant stance that he is the driving force behind Pink Floyd and can not stand for anything else. We all know this. Why should Dave, Rick, and Nick quit just because Roger LEFT the group? Who does he think he is? A pre-madonna, obviously.

Nope. He's an arrogant asshole. It's quite that simple.

Why do you not want me to bring up the fact Ezrin and Gilmour produced a MLOR and TDB? What, is it the fact neither are quite as good production-wise as The Wall? Is it the fact neither hold a candle to it?

Why not bring up the fact most albums prior to The Wall are said to be "Produced by Pink Floyd." Are you saying they should really read "Produced by David Gilmour"?

Yes. It is also a fact Roger produced it TOO.

Post it on here please.

The producer is ultimately responsible for the overall finished product. The producer is in charge of managing every aspect of the recording session.

Even David said this in an interview once (Commenting on the earlier records that stated "Produced By Pink Floyd"):

"In theory we were all producing, but in practice it meant that Roger and I would argue considerably about how it should sound."

Gilmour and Waters initially planned to produce The Wall together on their own, but then agreed to hire Ezrin and defer to his final decision on which versions would be used in order to get the album out as quickly and efficiently as possible. This is a well-documented fact.

Whatever you have read is a pile of bologna, or else you have misinterpreted it.

Ok, prepare to be proven wong, my friend in Floyd. Give me a couple of hours.......

Ok, since the interview special was very long, I'll make this more concise and to the point (Some quotes are para-phrased because of continuity).

Gilmour: "Even though Roger came off the credits, I'm glad he didn't produce it. (Asked why) Because I didn't think he knew what the hell he was doing (referring to Roger supposedly producing The Wall). I co-wrote three of the songs and Bob Ezrin and I did a lot of production and arrangement work on The Wall. So it slightly nerves me to think that people think that The Wall was a Roger Waters solo album. It certainly is not."

Ezrin: "To me this is a great song (referring to Comfortably Numb and Roger not wanting the song on The Wall). And if it's not going to be on there; I'm walking. This is the way it's going to go mother****er... "

Gilmour: "Roger grumpily went off and wrote lyrics to it (referring to Numb). But I think he grew fond of it (laughs)..."

BBC special: Echoes 'History of PF' radio rocumentary - 1995.



Now if this doesn't prove Roger didn't produce The Wall and doesn't know anything about producing; then I don't know what the hell would prove it.