I think ''each small candel'' shows the true depth of Roger Waters

[dpastrovic]

what do you think?

[Not Now John]

It doesn't. Sure it shows that he's not as gloomy as some of his previous work would have you believe, but really it is no measure of his ability as a musician.

[dpastrovic]

Originally posted by Not Now John
[b]It doesn't. Sure it shows that he's not as gloomy as some of his previous work would have you believe, but really it is no measure of his ability as a musician. [/ B]

I wasn't talking about Rogers ability as a musician.But about his personality. I think most of his stuf is very personal.His musical ability is the greatest.

[FloydWright]

If you mean that it shows what exists underneath all the bitterness (that maybe he's really starting to get rid of at last), then I agree it shows a new depth of character.

But I think "Flickering Flame" is an even better example, especially because I think he's really living it. I point to his recent meeting with Mr. Mason as evidence of that.

I think he had somewhat of an idea of what it would require of him, for a long time. But when a person is engaged in a healing process, I'll tell you that despite all those insights, it takes a while to be able to walk the talk. You may know what you have to do, but putting it into action is a whole other level of committment. Good thing is, it seems Mr. Waters is starting to make that committment.

[Not Now John]

Yeah, I still think the song sucks.

[Driven]

Waters didn't actually write the words to Each Small Candle. And the music doesn't do a great deal for me.

I think there is a lot more depth to be found in some of his other efforts.

[Bride of a Bull]

Um...I cannot be totally certain, but I don't really think either song has much to do with Roger's, apparently, mellowing character, but perhaps more to do with his perceived mission to expose the lunacy of war, militarism and jingoisticly blind patriotism. I see them as his efforts at Peace Activism.

The man is obviously an anti-war passifist and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, considering his experiences. Of course his own personality would shine through with anything he had a hand at creating, but to assume these songs are about him specifically or his emotional or mental condition is, i feel, an error.

Unless we spend time inside his head, any speculation about what he thinks or feels, or how those thoughts or feelings may have changed over time is just that: speculation.

We should instead be keeping our beady eyes on the offsping of the PF band members (incl. Roger) to make sure they're living up to our expectations of them.

[Driven]

Originally posted by Bride of a Bull
The man is obviously an anti-war passifist and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, considering his experiences.

I've often wondered what Roger's response would be if you drew his attention to the fact that, without the death of folk like his daddy, England would have fallen to the Nazi's.

Anyway...I agree it tends to be a little futile professing to know what is going on their heads (although I have been know to dabble in that all too tempting pastime myself).

[FloydWright]

Originally posted by Driven
Waters didn't actually write the words to Each Small Candle.

I believe that only applies to the opening stanza. The rest of the lyrics are his.

[Not Now John]

Originally posted by Bride of a Bull

We should instead be keeping our beady eyes on the offsping of the PF band members (incl. Roger) to make sure they're living up to our expectations of them.

Sarcasm, I hope.



Driven: I've always wonder the same, about the Nazi party and Rog's dad, and his feelings on either of them.

[Bride of a Bull]

Originally posted by Not Now John


Sarcasm, I hope...

From me? Never!

[dpastrovic]

Originally posted by Driven
Waters didn't actually write the words to Each Small Candle. And the music doesn't do a great deal for me.

I think there is a lot more depth to be found in some of his other efforts.

In The Flesh concert,Sydney Roger said he wrote Each Small Candel

[Fulghum]

Water's Depth....aha, i get it...very punny...

[dpastrovic]

Originally posted by Bride of a Bull
Um...I cannot be totally certain, but I don't really think either song has much to do with Roger's, apparently, mellowing character, but perhaps more to do with his perceived mission to expose the lunacy of war, militarism and jingoisticly blind patriotism. I see them as his efforts at Peace Activism.

The man is obviously an anti-war passifist and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, considering his experiences. Of course his own personality would shine through with anything he had a hand at creating, but to assume these songs are about him specifically or his emotional or mental condition is, i feel, an error.

Unless we spend time inside his head, any speculation about what he thinks or feels, or how those thoughts or feelings may have changed over time is just that: speculation.

We should instead be keeping our beady eyes on the offsping of the PF band members (incl. Roger) to make sure they're living up to our expectations of them.

After all it is up to each individual to discover themselves. I like what Roger is saying through his music and i think he has a great ability to express himself.P.S Some of the below is nearly a laugh.

[Driven]

Each Small Candle: In The Flesh - Live 2000
The first stanza is a poem written for Danish Amnesty International by Halfdan Rasmussen. The lyrics of the rest of the song are Roger's response to the poem. (from www.rogerwaters.com)

Fwr was right.