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Postmodernity and the Objective Correlative

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Old 04-03-2003, 08:11 PM
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No, the house is painted Hot Pink, I saw it with my own two eyes, a peculiar house indeed.
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:23 PM
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Perhaps I stated my point badly. Let me say then that it may not be possible for humans to perceive the whole truth, at least at this stage in our evolution.
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:28 PM
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But the inability to understand Truth does not negate its existence as something absolute.
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:43 PM
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We will never perceive the whole truth, in any state of evolution. Just like Magritte's paintings, everything is mystery, even things that seem so practical, like eating a bagel for instance.
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by youngsteinbeck8
everything is mystery, even things that seem so practical, like eating a bagel for instance.
Huh?
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:09 PM
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Truth, I think, is subjective.
Like waht 500 yrs ago people belived that the earth ws flat that god created the earth that we were the centre of the universe etc etc
That WAS the truth back then it's what people knew as the truth and they strongly belived in it. However some people questioned it and eventually they came up with a different truth, we know know many different things and this is the truth, however people will always question this truth. So truth is subject to change. Think about it, all those people in the middle east think that the jihad is the truth but that is subject to change (now lets not turn this into a discussion about whether what they think is the truth)

So if you look at it in a more objective scientific way there is no truth cos it's subject to change

shit i hope all this makes sense

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Old 04-03-2003, 10:14 PM
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No, the truth is that the earth has always been spherical. The fact that 500 years ago it was believed that it was flat had no effect on ultimate truth.

I think we just have a semantics difference here. The definition of "truth".

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Old 04-03-2003, 10:15 PM
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Truth is based in fact, though. 500 years ago, even if everyone thought the earth to be banana-shaped, that wouldn't stop it from being round. The perceived truth may have been that of flatness, but they were wrong. Wrong means that they didn't know the truth.
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Old 04-03-2003, 11:38 PM
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ok bad example, my point is that truth is subject to change

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Old 04-03-2003, 11:57 PM
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I'd say that perceived truth is subject to change, whereas actual truth (whether anyone knows what it is or not) doesn't change. Unless you mean things like 'the dog is alive' can be true but 30 years later not be true. That's different.
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:21 AM
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But Gerald, my feeble mind keeps coming back to this same wall:

"If all I know is perception, and THAT said perception is bound to change, how can I arrive at the absolute truth?"

Or in other words: Percieved truth is bound to change, ok. How do i percieve the absolute then?
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:31 AM
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I never said that we can necessarily achieve an understanding of absolute truth, but it's certainly something to work towards.
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:33 AM
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But it may, one day, be possible? I'd like to think so.

I wonder if that day will be the end of most religions?
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:40 AM
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Well if we achieve complete knowledge of truth, then all religions will disappear except for possibly one (assuming that one that has sprung up thus far is right).
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:42 AM
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Atheism? I would suppose that would be the only one left standing?
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