Animals....Not Submerged

Well, my play on words sort of says that i don't think Animals is a Waters - driven piece.

Actually, i believe it's has alot less Waters influence than the Wall or The Final Cut.

It's a beautiful album - extremely floydian with its 1 minute (or so) beginning and end songs - extremely awesome lyrics - a beat you can really jam to and get into - and concepts that can be thought about for hours and put into our own society.

Of Coarse you have to read the Book Animals to get a sense of the divisions of the beasts as well.

Shit - i still have to read that.
Ok i'll be back after i've read the book and talk about its um....(big word folks): connotations.

So until then someone pick it up from here - Radiochair, u need more post :smile:

Rock on,
Charade I Am

PS - i wanted to be the first to post in the Roger -Domination section as well :smile:
u know my motives..or do you? :smile:

I will agree with you.

Animal is more Pink Floyd's work then Roger's. I believe that is the most philosophical albub than the others. You know.. it has got fantastic lyrics with many philosophical meanings about human relationships, and general about life style ....

SHEEP :

"THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD, I SHALL NOT WANT
HE MAKES ME DOWN TO LIE
THROUGH PASTURES GREEN HE LEADETH ME THE SILENT WATERS BY.
WITH BRIGHT KNIVES HE RELEASETH MY SOUL
HE MAKETH ME TO HANG ON HOOKS IN HIGH PLACES
HE CONVERTETH ME TO LAMB CUTLETS.
FOR LO, HE HATH GREAT POWER, AND GREAT HUNGER.
WHEN COMETH THE DAY ME LOWLY ONES,
THROUGH QUIET REFLECTION, AND GREAT DEDICATION,
MASTER THE ART OF KARATE.
LO, WE SHALL RISE UP,
AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THE BUGGERS EYES WATER."

Animals might be my fave album...each of the tracks I love, and the album as a whole too. The Wall is probably their best album in my opinion and I love it dearly, but Animals is just great.

I agree. Animals as a whole is probably my favorite album. I think it is largely a band composition but I also think the obvious "Waters bite" makes it the wonderful piece that it is. This is not to discount the others contribution which was surely large (some more than others). Its a shame that the great gig survey puts animals with the waters era and not the post syd. that is my only hesitation about claiming it as my favorite time period.
what makes Animals (slightly) better than the later waters works is the more floydian way of puting something in front of you but not shoving it in your face, which is the style that Roger seemed to tend towards after Animals. It keeps you thinking and is soothingly depressing and critical of our situation but also is not as outright apacalyptic.

I whole heartedly agree - and i like the way you put it.

Go to the Bookstore or Library and check out "Animal Farm" - i saw a copy that was large and white - the text on the cover was almost exactly like that of the WALL and the illustrations looked a hella lot like Gerald Scarfe.

It's neat.

Yes, I believe Roger was quite influenced by George Orwell (Arthur Blair)'s incredible piece of work known as Animal Farm. There are quite a few connections such as with pigs and dogs being the leader-like people and the sheep being weak and unsuspecting of anything wrong with the higher-ups. Animal Farm is probably my second favorite book, after 1984 by the same author. Strange to note that Radiohead's OK Computer, an incredible album seems to have great influence by 1984. It seems that many a musicians are influenced by George Orwell (Arthur Blair). Or maybe everyone who reads his books are greatly influenced by it. I recommend them both to everyone who is literate.

Damn, well i'm out now...gotta get that reading thing down.

I just knew when I was typing that that someone would give a remark like that. I just KNEW it.

Radiochair, it's nice to hear there are other people there who like Orwell's works. 1984 was a book that completely changed my life, the way I look at things. I still read it once every while, so I don't forget his words. Animal Farm is also excellent and is among my favorite books as well.

I'd also recommend Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, if you haven't read it yet. It is in the spirit of those Orwell books as well and very much worth reading!

Cheers,
Paulo

"I just knew when I was typing that that someone would give a remark like that. I just KNEW it. "


Ahh the sound of predictability!

The same happened with me Dallagnol when I read 1984, I came out looking at things through different eyes and have different views on political standings. It's also strange because on the news a while ago I heard about how in London they have video cameras around on the streets to 'protect' the people. Maybe you could check that out when your down there Dallagnol (or I guess that's up to you :smile:

Hmmm, I agree Animals is a great musical rendition of the ideas developed in the Orwell book, and though it isn't strictly a Waters ego-trip, it IS heavily influenced by his dark, brooding, somewhat disparaging attitude to mankind's failings.

I have to confess the first time I heard it it made me physically sick.

One of my best Air Force buddies, Bob Sweet, after a very heavy night of partying and general self-abuse, came rushing down the dorm corrider with his new PF acquisition, Animals! He insisted I listen to the whole thing in one sitting and only on his very expensive, and heavy headphones.

So, as tender and frail as I felt already, the heady and provocative music and lyrics with Roger's stomach-churning bass, I was doomed. I didn't know whether I was coming or going. It remains, though, one of my all time, late Floyd favourite albums.

As an aside: I was also eventually embarassed to discover that for "Pigs: Three Different Kinds" the reference of "Hey you Whitehouse!" was meant for Ms. Mary (ultra-Fascist) Whitehouse and not Jimmy Carter's or newly-elected Ron Reagan's White House. D'OH!

Still, it just proves the universal appeal of the Floyd in particular and music in general.

Byron

p.s. Can't seem to get my password working for these messages

Well, just like you byron, I can't get my password working.
Anyway, Animals, when I first heard it, sounded ridiculous, but I have since grown to love it. Though it is an entirely Waters album. This can be proven by the fact that the present incarnation of PF refuses to play it.
Anyway, another great Orwellian book, which is less of a novel and more of an autobiography is Down and Out in London and Paris. It is about Europe and the Depression and therise in popularity of Communism and Anarchy. Check it out.

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Isn't Orwell a cheery guy?

My brother's name is Byron - so your cool man.

Yes Orwell is extremely happy-go-lukcy sorta fellar.