You know how everyone raves about how.....

...The Dark Side Of The Moon is so sonically superior, and how it's one of the best stereo "samplers"? Well, how come the bias is totally off to the left on side A and slightly less so on side B?? And on the MFSL CD version, it's in favour of the right & slightly "muffled". What's that all about then??? Ay????

And if Nick Mason's such a good drummer,and Alan Parsons+ Pink Floyd are such good producers, how come you can hear the "join" in the percussion 1min & 4secs into "Any Colour You Like"??? Ay????

Why?

Well isn't it obvious?
All the stuff you mentioned is what makes the floyd the Floyd.

It's how they do things that make them superb.

It's not like their gonna go put out an album where the bass (which i think is what you meant) is slightly higher on one side then the other - and not on purpose.

And even if it wasn't on purpose - that's how they did it and they obviously liked it that way.
It is THEIR music not ours. So they make it how they like it - not the please us scum bag "fans"' (i know harsh but we are assholes sometimes) - no they do it cause they think it's good music and whatever they do is up to them

If you don't think their good enough to be "raved" about - or at least DSOTM, then don't listen to it.
I've heard alot of their OLD OLD interviews and it seems to me that their less concerned with everyone else and even themselves then just making an album that suits them, it was a success so then you try and criticise some small aspect you think is wrong.

No - not the way it works - you can comment on it - but questioning how they did it is wrong. You think it should be done better?
I donno if anyone here can come up with the awesome shit they came out with ESPECIALLY on this album!

So, you can have your thoughts and such - but don't be criticising the reasons we love this stuff.

----What can i say? You hit a soft spot there - that is DSOTM and Alan Parsons and the FLoyd are all close to my heart, so i found a need to reply like that- i'm usually much nicer :smile: ---

Patrick
"Charade I Am"

Oh and don't mess with Nick Mason or "Any Colour you like" either!

:smile:

Actually, I don't think DSotM is so superior. I have always thought that Floyd are amazing composers but only mediocre musicians, perhaps the album would have been better if the sold it to someone else to perform--who knows?

That would suck if they had done that, wrote the music and have others perform it.

I don't think that people who compose music and give it to others to perform is a "band" - that's a composer, and in no way as great to me.

I think they're (the floyd) incredible musicians -and a lot of people can attest to that by going to their concerts!

(though i sadly have yet to go to one).

To me Floyd reigns supreme as composers and especially as musicians - because i like how they are they don't have to be the best "guitar picker" - it's what they are that i love the band and the songs for.

Actually, I did go to Roger's concert and Comfortably Numb was performed so much better than I ever heard Gilmour do it.

But then again that's just my opinion.

"Mediocre musicians"> In reference to the Pink Floyd in general and Gilmour in particular?

I can't believe I read that. And from Not Now John as well, whose opinions I'd come to trust. (Okay, so I have only been on this site for maybe a week or so, but us Floyd fans know what's good for us.

I saw Gilmour do The Wall in 1981, and Eric Clapton do PF songs with Roger for his Pros and Cons concert, both in London, and I can assure you Gilmours playing is anything but mediocre. Erics playing was perhaps superior when actually playing the music, but it DID sound like Clapton - it had his unique sound - and not Gilmour. I preferred Gilmour's version. Of course, I would wouldn't I.

The Floyd were always experimenting with noises and sound effects, so DSOTM should be considered in that respect and listened to more than analysed.

Floyd on!
Byron

EXACTLY!!
I totally agree.

Nice way to put it too.

I wasn't putting Gilmour down, just saying that I believe there are better musicians out there. Yet the things that have come from the floyd are great, no one else could have envisioned something like DSOTM.

The Beatles and Pink Floyd made the Revolution
of Stereo in Rock music when some of the Instruments/samples were on the right channel,
and some on the left Channel. And do you remember the effect of the passing helicopter
on "On the run" in DSOTM? this and the current happening of the surround couldn't have happen without this progress of the stereo which in Pink floyd took part.
And any one who says It's Shit Just doesn't Understand what He's talking about...

See, Not Now John?

Do you see what a fierce hornets nest one opens up when attempting the merest criticism, however true or justified, of the beloved Pink Floyd?

For shame! :smile:

Floyd on!
Byron

Sorry lads, I'm with Not Now John on this one. Gilmour is a fine and certainly in the mid period, inspired guitarist, but now dwells quite happily in the "trad-noodlings" box where his playing is devoid of feeling and the song structuring tends to reflect this, relying on some great whooping solo towards the end of the middle section that really just seems to be there to fill time and to keep the fans who maybe joined (or stuck around hoping for the resurrection) in the 80's and therefore expect a LOT less than other older, more discerning fans. As Gilmour, in one of his usual monotonal interviews, opined on the opening to "Marooned" from the Division Bell (which isn't very good) "It's amazing how far I can bend those strings, isn't it?"

And that's it.

We don't expect him to start ranting on like Marc Bolan about magic and suchlike. It's true after all that we only hear the finished product, which IS the correct term to apply to Gilmour et al's output over the last 18 odd years whereas they deal with the intricacies (such as they are, these days) and the ins and outs, so I suppose really it must take the, ahem, magic out of the proceedings.

The only sense that you really get when listening to their 80's and 90's stuff is a sense of dogged commitment and mostly that appears to be towards The Man and their own utterly off kilter sense of their own relevancy within the contemporary music scene. Nick Mason does his job (with a little help from his friends)and Rick turns up on time. Congratulations on them. Roger, although he was never that great a bassist (You know how the beginning of "One of these days" is pretty good and a bit inspired? That's Gilmour playing) but he, at least, had a bit of passion about the whole venture, and didn't fall into this anodyne trap that the others (whilst eating their canapes) turned a blind eye to. To give him his dues, lyrically the man ruled. His concepts, to be true, were a little shaky (have you heard the news? The Wall is crap) and his apparent mercurial tendencies got the better of him, but he was and is the Heart And Soul of Floyd (Which one is Pink?? Come onnnnn...), whilst the others when they did a good job, were untouchable to a certain extent, but really are nothing more than three more names atop the session musicians that they happily list.

Pink Floyd are my favourite band, and I've got a large collection of their stuff.

But gosh, they're rubbish now.

Hey at least you had a better presentation than your first post!

I have quite a bit to say as to agreeing, disagreeing and so on...
But i'm busy right now and i'll do so when i get the chance soon!


Patrick

(By the way even if i don't agree with all the stuff you said - you did a good job of saying it! :smile: )

Why does one feel they have to compare one musician to another? They are all awesome in their own way.
Yes there are times in a musicians life(not unlike everyone else)when he/she is more creative or happening or dynamic etc. But when you get musicians who have been composing/writing/performing as long as Floyd members had, things are going to fluctuate.
Remember, these guys are not just one hit wonders. They put out years of music.Every album is unique. Every album has it's shine.
I love all their solo works as well but I can't compare it to Floyd.It's not Floyd.
Floyd is a collaboration of personalities, creativity, voices, harmony and energy.
I mean I love pasta, beef, cheese and tomato all on their own but put it all together and call it lasagne and -well you get the picture.

Thought I'd something more to say but suddenly I have a craving for lasagne and some dinner music!