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Old 10-08-2003, 02:24 PM
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I'm guessing Ayn Rand is a polar opposite to Karl Marx.
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I'm guessing Ayn Rand is a polar opposite to Karl Marx.


I'd say so... But I haven't read much Marx, unless you count Groucho.
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I think Groucho makes more sense than Karl.

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I was more talking about the 'never sacrifice yourself for others' bit rather than the anti-altruism bit.


I guess we need to define sacrifice; I had that stuffed in my 'altruism' box.
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Sacrifice, as far as I can tell, means giving up something in order that someone else might benefit-- Anywhere from sharing a meal to giving one's life. If sacrifice is immoral, like Rand puports, then society functions rather poorly-- read up on game theory.
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I'm guessing Ayn Rand is a polar opposite to Karl Marx.
Could be possible, seeing how much she hated the Soviets. But then again, the Soviets and the USSR were never Marxists in the true sense...
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"Man cannot survive except though his mind. He comes on earth unarmed. His brain is his only weapon. Animals obtain food by force. Man has no claws, no fangs, no horns, no great strength of muscle. He must plant hs food or hunt it. To plant, he needs a process of thought. To hunt, he needs weapons, and to make weapons-- a process of thought. From the simplest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from a single attribute of man-- the function of his reasoning mind".
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I consider myself a Liberterian, but the essence of being a Liberterian isn't that no one is owed anything, rather no one owes anything to the establishment and vice versa. This does not preclude, as I understand from R_T's description of Rand's work, charity or just helping others.

Frankly my American dream is moving down South, marrying a much younger girl, and shooting crows from my front porch while my hound dog howls.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't lend a helping hand, or that I am not ambitous, or that ambition is good or bad.
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I just thought this was mad ass funny :-

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haha ... thats kinda creepy tho ... i hope no one ever builds a robot of me ... itd have WAY too many malfunctioning flaws ... YIKES!
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I do think, however, that every-man-for-himself is a pretty piss-poor way to go about living.


I'm guessing her idea was that every man "doing the best for himself" automatically benefits the others in society. A doctor who pursues medicine so he can golf on Wednesdays, drive a Porsche and live in a big house benefits many people who are his patients, employs others as lab techs, nurses, etc. and in general helps out all others whose products he purchases. Generally, successful people employ others and their investments provide the capital for home loans, etc. so the average person can buy a home, car, etc. on the installment plan.

So in this way Ayn Rand capitalism "lifts all boats" in allowing people to be free, whereas socialism "spreads the misery evenly"
by killing incentive, and therefore productivity.
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Actually the person who gave me the advice is someone whose intelligence and opinion I respect. While I probably will read it, I don't care if it is 1000 pages long, it had better be good. Length really means nothing.
Dunno what you'll think of this post NNJ but really, honestly, I found myself falling asleep reading "The Fountainhead".

I like her ideas but I found that book incredibily boring. Maybe someday I'll give it a fresh start...
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A doctor who pursues medicine so he can golf on Wednesdays, drive a Porsche and live in a big house benefits many people who are his patients, employs others as lab techs, nurses, etc. and in general helps out all others whose products he purchases.

In a Rand-approved society, however, gone is the notion of doing things for 'the good of the people' or 'the benefit of society,' and thus gone are highway clean-ups, ethical standards imposed by any governing body (like the Hippocratic Oath, for instance), and thusly prisons, courts, and, really, law. Police, if they even existed, would function much the way they do in most third-world countries: Whoever has the most money is innocent.
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Actually, that isn't what Rand says at all.
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