Pink Floyd The Greatest?

man i missed it around here while i was gone

You'd better watch what you say -- or they will come for you.

she doesn't have to prefer red for it to be what she feels is the best colour at all......for many years I prefered Genesis to pink floyd but I still acknowledged Floyd as the better band.

here let me sum up my point for you.

a scientist is going to do an untried experiment he states "if I mix A with B I will get an explosion" this is an opinion as it isn't proven and there is a possibility it could be untrue. The experiment works. the statement as now become a fact, but to someone who doesnt know about the experiments success upon reading/hearing the statement it is still an opinion to them.

it's like a Doctors medical opinion - may or may not be true but upon a correct diagnosis the medical opinion is now true. Thats what I try and do, research areas I'm intrested in to the point were I and others believe them to be true. It's extremely hard for things that require more than one sense i.e to judge a song good you've got to realise it sounds good - hearing, not too hard thats what I base my answers on but if I had to judge a song on it's lyrics I could only ever give an opinion because lyrics are applied to all our senses through imagery the lyrics can be ambiguous an misleading but sound is clear and distinct we all percieve sound the same just as well as we do sight, touch, taste, smell.

taste - oysters ergh, chips yeah.

touch - fire hurts us.

sight - a normal mind will see normal things, no elephants following you down the M1

smell - not many people enjoy the smell of sewerage.

sound - nature desiged a baby's cry to be annoying, encoraging it's parents to give him/her what he/she wants which is good in nature but I dare say you'd have to be pretty sick to listen to it on a two hour tape full blast. The sound of whales has been proven to lower the heart rate and encourage calm.

what rog wants, in my opinion that is a beautiful image.

some may think it's bad cos it represents war and violence.

a photographer might be able to prove it's technically good.

it's how you present a fact, I present them on the basis of senses i.e the sight of a naked woman to a straight man is enjoyable, unless shes badly out of shape,and society has shaped our minds into excepting this as undesirable. erasing any thought of opinion.

THEY will come for u....... i think the ALIENS r comin for us.

You happen to acknowledge so. There are thousands, perhaps million others who don't think so and billions who haven't even heard of Pink Floyd. Does it invalidate their thoughts and "facts" ?

Could you somehow devise a "scientific" experiment to prove that Pink Floyd are the best band out there?

A Doctors medical opinion is based on Probability and history. Example: Historically, when a patient has so and so symptoms and exibits so and so reactions to tests and has so and so results from blood test/biopsies, he probably suffers from so and so disease. Even here, probability exists because of the many inherent failures possible in diagnosis. Plus, it could be a whole new disease.

So, can we say with absolute certainity about the music here?

Just a small point to refute that analogy: Fire hurts. Therefore fire is bad. So if fire is bad, why do we need it?

Redcutio ad absurdum. There are limits to everything. Too much and too little of anything is bad.

I think you are missing the point here:

There is absolutely no way you can state that musical taste is a "fact". It is what it is : "taste". Using your analogies, there should be some scientific method to prove that "sweet" taste is the best taste. You can't you see, because we are talking "fact" here, not "opinions"

Just because 9/10 people like "Seamus Laughs" doesn't make it the best song. Popular, yes. Best/perfect, No.

Perhaps mathew gill simple needs to take a class in critical thinking?

simon we dont need fire to touch us! thats why we take precautions around it, we dont physically touch fire because it is bad, my point was we all respond the same, we sense pain and avoid it. Idiot. some things we sense can go either way, water is a great example, neutral taste means people can only just like or only just dislike the taste.

water - good because it's intrinsic.

water - average taste.


things can be good and bad, it depends on circumstances. Of course you already know that.

popularity and success isnt a factor in a song being good Iv'e never enthused this point, how the song sounds is key - see sense = sound, is the sound pleasing on the ears does it grate, are the lyrics universally intresting, conjuring up imagery and evoking emotion? does the song portray emotion, atmosphere or passion well?

A medical opinion is an opinion to cover the doctors arse basically i.e figurative meaning "you've got Herpes but I may be wrong, lets wait for the tests." it's the closest the doctor can get to fact, it's clinically an opinion but it gets confirmed eventually as a fact or in some cases - false diagnosis. An opinion is what the person who gives it believes is an accurate guess that the points to to truth, it becomes fact when proven. I can prove anything I state as fact. ( I don't state everything as facts though)

I can prove most of my opinions to be true, others just stay opinions because they haven't been proved yet I could be wrong or right.

sim if you think something I'm stating as a fact isn't, prove me wrong! - tell me why Floyd arent the greatest.

you can state red is the best colour as a fact so long as you base it on best colour to represent/symbolise/signal danger. or "red is the best colour to describe blood"

red represents danger the best

Pink floyd portrays music the best - you may ridicule my thoughts on Ice cream and whale sounds being enjoyable and wonder how the tie in with pink, well sit back and read this.

WHALE - if whale music is universally acepted as enjoyable and intriguing surely the masters of beautiful melodious music would take note and incorporate this somehow into their music? well The masters did....Pink floyd's Marooned, the seagulls at the beginning of the song is a dead giveaway, check the songs symbolic image in the booklet and then you'll realise Floyd are a very self-aware group, they are very conscious of just what sounds good.....awaiting "in my opinion marooned sounds shit" statement.

...I don't think I'll get it.

Syd, "Ice cream, tastes good if you eat it too"

Pink Floyd are not the greatest because the Kronos Quartet is the greatest. Prove me wrong.

The Kronos Quartet are not the greatest because Echo & The Bunnymen are the greatest. Prove me wrong!

I don't think trying to convince someone that's wrong requires any proof.

kronos ate his children - fact and fiction at the same time!!!!!!!!!!!!

no you've got to prove me wrong!!!!!!!

easy way out tower!!!!!!!!

TOF : I hereby revoke from thorin13 the title of Cloth-Eared Gimp and award it to your good self!

hahahah!

Wow... that really made me crack up. What the hell is that supposed to mean though?!

And to MatthewGill - Kronos are not the best because Roger is the best. So there!

You're wrong, matthew gill. Pink Floyd ate his children.