OUTRAGED!!!!!!

Strong point Wrightkeys, but I think most us would disagree with you on that one. The reason being is that when Roger Waters was in the band, both music and lyrics seemed more magical. I can see your point for being angry, the Pink Floyd fan should respect everything that they have done reguardless. I like the post Waters Floyd myself. I think it is a representation of an extraordinary omnipresence.

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I agree with you on that. If you dont't like the post-Waters era, you are not a true Pink Floyd fan.

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That's simply not true.


Sorry.


But it isn't.


No way.

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If you call yourself a Pink Floyd fan, you got to like A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell. They were both true Floyd albums. Not as good as The Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall or Atom Heart Mother, but both were great Floyd albums.

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With morning I rise,
A dream that won't leave me,
You're sad, naked and pale
And you're reaching for the rail

"Reaching for the Rail"
From "Broken China"

I need to correct myself, A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell were as good as Dark Side, and The Wall, and all other Floyd albums

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With morning I rise,
A dream that won't leave me,
You're sad, naked and pale
And you're reaching for the rail

"Reaching for the Rail"
From "Broken China"

I can only say that than I am not a true Pink Floyd, because TDB sucked. I don't care if Syd, Roger and Jesus himself had cowriting credits on it, it still sucked. Lets not all get split into 2 camps here, saying that just because one person doesn't like one album they are not TRUE fans. Please lets just move on from this ridiculous debate.

By the way, the Final Cut blew away The Division Bell, musically.

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Well, WrightKeys certainly has a bee in his bonnet.

So, it is your contention that any apparent Floyd fan who doesn't like the later "Gilmour Floyd" is not a TRUE Pink Floyd fan.

This is, in my opinion, certifiable nonsense. There are surely tunes from Pink Floyd from Syd Barrett to the current line-up which not everyone will rate as brilliant, sublime, mystical/magical or other such superlative. That's just life, mate.

You can't please all the people all the time, to paraphrase a famous PT Barnum quote. (I think it was PT Barnum, or was his quote "There's a sucker born every minute?") This last quote, again in my own opinion, is rather apt for those afficionados of the later Roger-less Floyd.

If you like the late Floyd stuff, fine, great. If you don't, that's fine too. If you hate the early/middle Floyd work, that's also fine and dandy.

Of course, if you hate ALL Pink Floyd offerings, may I suggest the nearest boy/girl/it crap singing group because you are definitely in the wrong place.

"You gotta be crazy. You gotta have a real need."

Floyd on!
Byron

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Wrightkeys. The reasons I strongly feel that Pink floyd is over in all but name after Waters are these:
(1) With a few early exceptions the lyrical Pink Floyd is mostly the product of Waters.
(2) The Pink Floyd that always worked best was RW, RW, DG & NM.
(3) Post Waters propaganda :smile: claims the evil intentions of Waters "solo" "The Final Cut" but what about AMLOR.
(4) The New Floyd sounds over polished and unmoving (in my opinion).
(5) I relate Pink Floyd with very strong concept albums which we haven't seen since Waters (The whole communication tgheme in DB doesn't quite cut it).
(6) Though many argue that Waters can't sing, I feel he can and it was another lost aspect of the unique sound.
(7) Session musicians, stadium rock,"my girlfriend writes the lyrics", and so on.

Now let me say that I do like post Waters Floyd just for different reasons. They are certainly still wonderful to listen to.

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Good post Byron.

Wrightkeys, I think you went too far there.
I understand why the things that people write here make you angry, but everyone is entitled for an opinion.

When people say things like "this album sucks" and such they just invite a does too does not argument... it's pointless.

You don't like it, fine, say you don't like it, but you cannot state as a fact that it's bad, it's YOUR opinion only.

So please, people, stop making such statements so we could move on.

Can't we all just get along? :smile:

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I'm a little tired of the debate about whether Floyd post-Waters is Floyd. Personally I think Roger was Pink Floyd and that Dave & Co PLC should trade under another name, but most of you know that already.

I seem to recall from another forum that Wrightkeys prefers the music to the lyrics. That would explain many of the views he has expressed above.

To balance the argument, I saw Roger last year and he was f****** excellent. As I refuse to see "Pink Floyd" now I can't compare but the recordings kind of confirm my suspision as to who has the biggest talent.

Gilmour is Floyd and thats all there is to it.

JUst look at Ummagumma or Atom Heart Mother as examples.

On ummagumma, whos track was better? Rogers tape effects and 8 minute boring acoustic song, or Dave's piece of work? The Narrow Way by far.

and on Atom heart Mother, Which song is better? If? or Fat Old Sun, I think we know that too.

The fact is that without Dave those songs would have been good ideas, but very very poor musically. Roger takes waaaaaay too much credit where he shouldnt.

I'll tell you what gets me OUTRAGED!

The claims that in Floyd's early days, with Gilmour covering for the zonked Barrett during live sets, that Syd would usual find a note and stick with it for the night and the other players would have to play around him.

Can you believe that? OUTRAGEOUS!

Floyd on!
Byron

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I disagree with both. 'Grantchester meadows' and 'several species' as well as 'if' i prefer. But it seems that the best floyd songs have all four (at least 3) names behind them. 'Shine on', 'echoes', 'Atom Heart Mother', Careful w/ that axe Eugene' to name a few. "Dark Side of the moon" is a great example as well.

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You can't say someone who doesn't like the Dave Floyd is not a true fan. I could say that no-one who doesn't like "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" or something stupid like that is not a fan, because that's a Floyd song and if you're a true fan, you also have to like the rubbish they released as well.

A note for those who say "Dave is Floyd":
"Animals", "The Wall", and "The Final Cut" were, for all intents and purposes, Rog solo projects. Even the lyrics to your beloved DSotM and WYWH were exclusively Rog's works.

A note for those who say "Rog is Floyd":
As over-produced and slick as they are, "Learning to Fly", "On the Turning Away", and "High Hopes" are amazing songs. Dave was *the* musical voice of the band...his songwriting may not be up to speed, but the music is the message as well.

A note for both factions:
The last I heard, Floyd consisted of these five members:
Syd Barrett
Roger Waters
Dave Gilmour
Rick Wright
Nick Mason
The only time all five were together was for a short time in 1968, but each has his own strengths. I propose that the only "true Floyd" album is ASoS, because all five are featured in one way or another. j/k :grin:
Syd: The man was a genius. Yes, his music is not as well-received today, but remember that it was because of him that Floyd got off the ground in the first place. Who here doesn't get a chill listening to his guitar work on "Interstellar Overdrive"...

Roger: He's the force behind the great concept albums of the '70s, and like it or not, Floyd has suffered without him. The albums of '87 and '94 are superior to the old Floyd musically, but the songwriting is, to be blunt, sh!te. An amazing songwriter, a little lacking musically, but his lyrics hit home. Who here doesn't get a chill listening to the Doctor's "bedside manner"..."OK...just a little pinprick..."

Dave: The musical voice of the band. A little lacking on the songwriting detail, but he more than makes up for it musically. This is the guy who brought, say, "Time" to life. He's got a much better singing voice than Roger, as well...imagine Rog muddling through the chorus to "Mother", or "Wish You Were Here". And who here doesn't get chills listening to that four-note phrase on SOYCD? Or the CN solo?

Rick: The underestimated musical voice. Floyd suffered without him as well. The session keyboardists on TFC couldn't cut it, and Dave bringing him back proved that...One of the things that saves TDB for me is the first song Rick wrote since "Summer '68". Again, the chills factor: The opening to SOYCD...

Nick: I'm surprised no-one pays attention to this guy...he's been forced to play drums like a normal person for a while now, but...check out the Pompeii version of ASoS, and the drumming behind Set the Controls...

Well, that's my blathering for the day. All I can say is, Floyd Mark I, II, III, IV all have their strengths and their weaknesses. And for those of you accusing others of not being "true" Floyd fans, I doubt any of you can say with certainty that there is nothing about them, not even one song, that you don't like either. I own all 14 studio releases. I listen to them all regularly and greatly enjoy most of the Floyd's work. But, someone who just heard ABitW2 on the radio and liked it, and identified with it or whatever, is just as much a "true" Floyd fan as I am.

*Steps down off the soapbox*

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