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Old 04-22-2004, 01:07 PM
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

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I read an interview a while ago, i honestly don't remember where its from, a german magazine comes to mind, but roger was asked why he didn't like dave and he simply said, "I just don't like him." He went on to say that when you spend so many years with someone that you just grow to not like them and such. They are two remarkably different personalities and its remarkable and a blessing that they managed to coexist as long as they did.



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Sueddeutsche Zeitung, 17 May 2003
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SZ: Mister Waters, nearly 20 years ago you departed from your old colleagues, followed by one of the bizarrest fights in the history of entertainment. You are in contact again with keyboardist Rick Wright and drummer Nick Mason. How is your relationship with subsequent band leader, guitarist David Gilmour?

Roger Waters: There is no relationship. We haven't talked to each other since 1985, except recently regarding a recording, during a strange telephone conference.

SZ: What role did David Gilmour have in Pink Floyd?

Roger Waters: A big one. As an example, he is an excellent guitarist.

SZ: Hmm, sorry, but why don't you meet with David Gilmour, sit together after all these years and have a beer...

Roger Waters: Why should I do that?

SZ: As an example, in the case of a Pink Floyd reunion, they would pay unbelievable money!

Roger Waters: Im not interested in that. At the moment I'm working on an opera and on a regular studio album. Why should I waste my time talking to David Gilmour?

SZ: Because...

Roger Waters: Do you know what?

SZ: What?

Roger Waters: I don’t like him.

SZ: You don’t like him.

Roger Waters: Exactly, I dont like him. Very simple. David and I were always very different, with very different views and thoughts. It was like that when he joined the band in 1968. And it never changed. There comes a time when you have to realize the truth. And the truth is: I dont like him. [He smiles]

SZ: Very simple.

Roger Waters: As I said. Very simple.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Hmmmmm...

I wonder if he just got fed up with the interviewer badgering him about David.

I don't belive he really doesn't like the guy. I think he just said that to shut the guy up. The guy probably wants to talk about his own career and here comes the obligatory question about Dave.

Or maybe he really doesn't like the chap.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

i do beleive roger when he said he does'nt like dave. they worked very well together but they are 2 very different individual persons. pink floyd was their job not their family.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

The reason I say that is I have seen and heard many interviews with Roger and for the most part he starts out ok...even with questions about Dave...but 9 times out of 10 the interviewer can't seem to get off the Dave subject or the reunion subject....and at that point he usually just shuts them up or stifles the interviewer by saying something like that.

I'm not saying it's impossible that he doesn't like Dave I am merely stating that from what I have heard and seen he is usually quite cool about the subject till the interviewer continues to badger him....then he gets billigerent just to shock them and shut them up.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Well there's nothing WE can do about it but complain. It's like saying "why can't summer be longer?". You can gripe all you want but it's not going to happen. Nothing will change.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Even though most bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc. have pretty much said everything they could(And also have lost the essential members), I think Pink Floyd is always a band who could say something and not sound dried out since, as they change as humans, they change as artists continuously and could always capture who they are at the moment. Just listen to the contrast between Darkside to the Final Cut. They went from being a colorful, jazzy band to being a more dry, darker band.

Though if they got together today I think they'd just be a parody of themselves if they tried to be who we all knew them as. They've been so disconnected and they've all changed so much in their own way that we'd probably have a different band. I'm not saying it would be bad, but it probably wouldn't be exactly what people would expect of the band that made Dark Side of the Moon 30 years ago.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Dave seems like a pretty classy guy. Saying hi to Roger during a time that they don't get along. I know it would be hard for me to even say hi to someone I don't get along with
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Just like the Transformers, there's probably more than meets the eye. Although I'm sure Rog is a prick at any rate.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Yep. On the subject of Transformers, I recently bought the excellent PS2 game and am wholly enjoying wandering round the Amazon Basin and mullering Decepticons by the dozen. I have picked up a fair few Mini-cons and luckily, have stumbled across a couple of Data-cons, too. Really, it's great.

Anybody else have this PS2 game?
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

I am still very surprised at the band's break up... especially after dedicating a whole album to SYd... who was no more a part of the band... I mean after WYWH you'd think this band is about four pieces of the same heart...

Well I don't know... like someone said... the death of a Band Member would mean better odds... but then again... it wouldn't be Pink Floyd as a whole... Damn Man... its just so Ironic that we cant experience Pink Floyd any more...
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

I think everyone, for some reason, expects Syd to go first.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

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Let's see: Waters wishes he had kept the PF name for himself but...

1. Gilmour "dared" ask for a trial against him.
2. He lost the case against Gilmour.
3. Gilmour has since then led a PF-named band.
4. He sees this band perform most of "his" songs.
5. His gigs are much less crowded than the ones by this band.

Is that enough?


this could have been the final blow. but like someone else posted if Roger got back with David and Floyd you would need the largest arena's or outdoor fields to hold all of the fans. and yes fans will pay big $'s to see the shows. i just paid $133.00 for 2 seats at a Metalica show, and i have row Z..can't get much higher.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

Yes, but does anybody else have the PS2 Transformers game, since we're wholly on the subject of 80's relics?
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

No, but now I want it.
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Re: Why is Roger so bitter towards Dave?

First, I'd like to say that Roger was the song writing genius of the group. As near as I can tell, that sort of went to his head and Roger decided at some point that "he" was Pink Floyd.

The Wall of course was Roger's concept. However, the rest of the band didn't like all of his ideas. They fought all the time about things and Dave stood up to Roger the most about stuff. Roger was stubborn and obsessed. He didn't want to change anything and resented the pressure. He eventually would concede and made the changes the rest of the band wanted. The result was that Roger probably felt The Wall was diluted and perhaps was angry that he was forced to change key parts and even had to leave out whole songs. What ate at him even more was the success of The Wall because of those changes.

After The Wall, the band continued to have problems. Roger basically decided the next album would not be altered from his "vision". The rest of the band gave up and let him have his way. Everyone was tired of fighting. The writing was on the wall (pun intended) and everyone knew the band was dissolving.

Even the title told the story, "The Final Cut", which was certainly meant to be the band's last album. Look at the back of The Final Cut CD and you will find that it says "a requiem for the post war dream" by Roger Waters. Then it says "performed by Pink Floyd". Roger made it clear that it was "his" album alone and that it was merely performed by the rest of the band.

It's my opinion that he truly thought this would be their best album... the peak of Pink Floyd... that he would show the band and the world how great he was without the rest of the band's meddling. Of course the album was a commercial failure. This made Roger even more bitter.

So, Roger left the band and I'm guessing that he assumed the band was finished since after all, "he" was "Pink Floyd", or at least in his mind the band could not function without him. Dave gathered up the pieces and forged on without Roger. You can imagine this made Roger even more bitter and probably quite angry too. Even worse, they were doing "ok" without him. How could this be? How dare they!

Yes, Roger is a bitter man. He lost the law suit to stop Dave from continuing on with Pink Floyd even though Dave wasn't one of the founding members. As already mentioned, Pink Floyd continued to enjoy success with songs that he wrote. Yes, there is no doubt Roger is very bitter and apparently blames Dave for all of his bitterness.

These are my opinions. They might not be totally correct, but it's how I see it.
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