The New CD Thread

[Botley]

Originally Posted by Mark Dwyer

I hear the Stooges are comin' out with a new disc.

Nah brah - that'd be "Iggy and the Stooges", which is a different band (so I argue).

[Aneurysm]

don't get made at SYDNEY

It wasn't towards Sydney.

[Aneurysm]

Originally Posted by rogerwaters1741

don't get made at SYDNEY,i'm the one who made the comment
Rap/Hip Hop=Violence...I'll admit i was in an extremely bad mood the day i wrote it...I'm not trying to start an argument,but,the very role models for urban youth in america are out shooting or killing each other (Topuc,Notorious B.I.G and Sean Combs)..

earlier this year in ALLHIPHOP.COM is excerp from article:02/13/06

Bay area rapper Mac Minister was profiled on AMERICA'S MOST WANTED...Police have been seeking Mac Minister in connection with the murders of Kansas City rapper Anthony "Fat Tone" Watkins and his companion Jermaine "Cowboy" Atkins...Police suspect Mac Minister and an accomplice, Jason "Corleone"Mathis,of killing Fat Tone and Cowboy in retaliation for the murder of of Vallejo rapper Andre "Mac Dre"Hcks...

Now i realise these are isolated cases,but,above article was the lead article on web site that day...like they're bragging about it...

Here in urban america crime is down,but,murders with hand guns are up...Virtually every large city will break record for most murders in the year,over 30,000 murders in USA last year...

Now Im not blaming all this mayhem on rap/hip hop music,but,when urban kids see these performers "packin heat" and body guards doing the same,they think it's OK...

Here in Buffalo this past week an 18 year old aspiring rap singer shot point blank 2 cops...the shooter got off 5 rounds,3 connected...the female cop has a bullet lodged on her spine,as of today parylized...the male cop took 2 shots from so close he has powder burns,he was released from hospital over weekend...He blames himself because his partner may never walk again...the shooter just bought gun the day before for protection,these kids have no fear of authority...

There have more murders in Buffalo,NY this month than have been in Australia in last 5 years...

Fair enough, but don't blame the music for the kids who listen to it and think it is okay to get involved in gang shit and carry a gun. Blame the kids who are stupid enough to have rappers as role models, and the parents who are stupid enough to let them. Yeah, alot of hip hop is violent, but it's ignorant and irresponsible to say all of it is (I know you said 'most', but I'm making a point) and it has a warning label on it for a reason.

Americans aren't the only people who listen to this stuff, either, hip hop, even violent hip hop, has a strong fan base in Europe, it's just that perhaps Americans are more susceptible to influence by it.

There are many more things I could say about this, but this is a shit lot to read as it is.

[Brainwashed]

Brian Eno's "Another Green World"
Estradasphere's "Palace Of Mirrors"

[Sydney]

Originally Posted by Aneurysm

Fair enough, but don't blame the music for the kids who listen to it and think it is okay to get involved in gang shit and carry a gun. Blame the kids who are stupid enough to have rappers as role models, and the parents who are stupid enough to let them. Yeah, alot of hip hop is violent, but it's ignorant and irresponsible to say all of it is (I know you said 'most', but I'm making a point) and it has a warning label on it for a reason.

Americans aren't the only people who listen to this stuff, either, hip hop, even violent hip hop, has a strong fan base in Europe, it's just that perhaps Americans are more susceptible to influence by it.

There are many more things I could say about this, but this is a shit lot to read as it is.

Actually, you're not helping the point at all..

I shall demonstrate why a little bit later when I finish my monster of a post.

[Aneurysm]

I can't wait.

[Shane G.]

What the hell's going on here?

[stratman]

Hi-dee-ho, old boy. Good to see you.

[Shane G.]

Same to you, son.

[Brainwashed]

I like The Roots, and other good hip-hop.

[Sydney]

Originally Posted by rogerwaters1741

don't get made at SYDNEY,i'm the one who made the comment
Rap/Hip Hop=Violence...I'll admit i was in an extremely bad mood the day i wrote it...I'm not trying to start an argument,but,the very role models for urban youth in america are out shooting or killing each other (Topuc,Notorious B.I.G and Sean Combs)..

earlier this year in ALLHIPHOP.COM is excerp from article:02/13/06

Bay area rapper Mac Minister was profiled on AMERICA'S MOST WANTED...Police have been seeking Mac Minister in connection with the murders of Kansas City rapper Anthony "Fat Tone" Watkins and his companion Jermaine "Cowboy" Atkins...Police suspect Mac Minister and an accomplice, Jason "Corleone"Mathis,of killing Fat Tone and Cowboy in retaliation for the murder of of Vallejo rapper Andre "Mac Dre"Hcks...

Now i realise these are isolated cases,but,above article was the lead article on web site that day...like they're bragging about it...

Here in urban america crime is down,but,murders with hand guns are up...Virtually every large city will break record for most murders in the year,over 30,000 murders in USA last year...

Now Im not blaming all this mayhem on rap/hip hop music,but,when urban kids see these performers "packin heat" and body guards doing the same,they think it's OK...

Here in Buffalo this past week an 18 year old aspiring rap singer shot point blank 2 cops...the shooter got off 5 rounds,3 connected...the female cop has a bullet lodged on her spine,as of today parylized...the male cop took 2 shots from so close he has powder burns,he was released from hospital over weekend...He blames himself because his partner may never walk again...the shooter just bought gun the day before for protection,these kids have no fear of authority...

There have more murders in Buffalo,NY this month than have been in Australia in last 5 years...

Right, I am not going to get into the sociological implications of why hip hop would at all be about violence or why an 18 yr old rapper feels the need to buy a gun for protection and then feels the need to proceed to shoot a cop, or any of that crap because it's not for this thread (and neither is really any of this, but since we've got started we may as well finish it) and I'm more than happy to start another thread in the Dark Side of the forum and argue this with you til we're blue in the face.

But allow me to address why hip hop is a vibrant, exciting, innovative form of musical expression. Why it is the most progressive form today and why hip hop is hardly about violence at all (and if it is, why it is, and what this implies... actually you know what.. I'm gonna start a thread on this.. carry on everyone!

[Brainwashed]

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum's "Grand Opening and Closing"
Peter Gabriel's "Passion" (replacement)

[Brainwashed]

Devin Townsend's "The Hummer"

[Frank Zappa]

Originally Posted by Brainwashed

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum's "Grand Opening and Closing"

Awesome album!

[Brainwashed]

Originally Posted by Frank Zappa

Awesome album!

It sure is. I'm really excited to see them on tour with Secret Chiefs 3 this Spring!