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Old 06-18-2004, 09:17 PM
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Learning to Fly - I already know, but ...

I've been have some doubts about the high quality and difficult vocabulary presented on the Learning to Fly Lyrics, and I am asking you, native americans and people that know a lot of English to help me out with some expressions of the english language, to help me understand the entire song, not only the translation, but the real information in each sentence, the emotional thing.

I am a 777-200 pilot, its a Big Big jet, and I fly for VARIG airlines, Brazil. Well, I hope you can help me out.

I will mention the sentences that I didn't understand the emotional information, maybe you could help me out.

1) Into the Distance, a ribbon of black

Question - "a ribbon of black" would that be the aircraft in the beggining of the clip? What is the definition of ribbon that Pink Floyd wanted us to have? "Into the Distance" , it seems ridiculous, but I didn't get that even... Into the Distance means that its close so we can see it?

2) Stretched to the point, of no turning back

Question - Means that the "ribbon", the aircraft on the beginning fof the clip is coming closer and closer and it's not going to come back, so the ribbon gets larger and larger, the aircraft coming closer? Is the aircraft the stretched ribbon?

3) Standing alone, my senses reeled

Question - Means that the guy on the windswept field got confused? His senses went reel? Is that it?

4) grasp

Question - something that is calling my attention and I really need to do it? To grasp the chance to fly? Is that the emotional information?

5) Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies

Question - Can't keep my eyes means that I don't want and I can't take my eyes out of the horizon, like there is no way for me to stop looking for the circling skies? How come circling skies if we fly leveled? Whats the information Pink Floyd wanted us to understand here?

6) Tongue-tied and twisted Just an earth-bound misfit, I

Question - Well, I just couldn't understand one world in this sentence... I know the individual meanings, but the sentence remains a mystery to me... anyone?

7) Unheeded warnings

Question - Warnings that actually happened but I didn't give any attention to it? "I thought I tought of everything" , what does that means?

8) Unladened, empty and turned into stone

Question - FIrst of all, whats the meaning of the word unladened? what has become empty and turned into stone? At this moment the guy on the clip stays near the cliff and takes his jacked off... what does that means?

9) Condition grounded, but determined to try

Question - Means that the pilot just don't have what it takes to fly, so he is learning, grounded untill he learns it all?

10) Grubby halo

Question - The smoke that leaves the engines? Is that the grubby halo?

11) Out of the corner of my watering eye

Question - Means that he is crying? what should I understand as "out of the corner" of the watering ( crying eye? ) eye?

12) A dream unthreatened by the morning light

Question - A dream that I don't have to fear because of the morning light?

13) Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night

Question - No idea....

Well fellas, maybe someway you will understand me and help me out with the literall and emotional translation.

last question and the on that is really a mystery... whats the reason of that guy that appears on the beginning of the clip, wearing black clothes and a black hat? What does he means to the song and to the dream of flying?

Well, thanks a lot, please answer me the respective question numbers, as you can see above.
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Old 06-18-2004, 10:29 PM
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Hi, B_P, welcome aboard!

For starters, the "ribbon of black" is the runway stretching (visually) into the distance.

I think "stretched to the point of no turning back" is perhaps that point during takeoff where you're going too fast with not enough runway left to abort, and have no choice except to fly.


"can't keep my eyes from the circling skies" to me means the thirst to fly, looking toward the sky with the wish to be there. (circling, of course is what the skies appear to do because of the rotation of the earth.)

Unladened means empty. perhaps out of fuel, in which without power, an aircraft "turns to stone". Unheeded warning is perhaps not reading the empty fuel guages.

"Condition grounded" may be as you suggested, or perhaps grounded because of bad weather, but determined to take off anyway. Who knows.

As far as "grubby halo", I have no idea. I think that is a weak point in the lyrics.
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Re: Learning to Fly - I already know, but ...

First of all, welcome!

Second, I think you're being a little to anal about this. I mean, it's a Gilmour tune, why bother? Y'know? I love Gilmour as much as the next guy, but post-Waters Floyd is nothing to obsess about IMHO.
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I love Gilmour as much as the next guy, but post-Waters Floyd is nothing to obsess about IMHO.


Yeah. Gilmour's my fave, but the post-rog stuff kinda sucks.
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Re: Learning to Fly - I already know, but ...

Greetings Pilot.

I can understand you confusion about the lyrics, IF you try to take them litterally, refering to flight and avaition related subjetcs.
Like most post Waters works, the songs and lyrics are a metaphor for Gilmours struggles keeping the band together and remaing creative and productive without Roger, and commentary about Roger himself.

I won't go through point by point but I'll give you my take on a few of the lines.

"Ribbon of Black..No turning back" Just a vieled reference to the unknown future, and commitment to carry on with The Floyd.

"Standing Alone, my senses reeled:.. Realization the he would head up PF without Roger as the creative force.

"Tounge tied & twisted, just an earthbound misfit"...Tounge in cheek reference to the fact the Dave acknowledeges that he is nowhere near the songwriter that Roger is.

Try thinking of the song in reference to Pink Floyds history and their situation at the time, and forget about the aviation aspect and it may make more sense.
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Interesting thoughts there, Fulghum, I never really thought about it like that.
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Quite impressed with your lateral thinking there, Big Boy. I'm now actually looking forward to being 44, if that's the kind of insight that happens to meander along with the territory
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Aye, Laddieboy... that it tis....
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Um, beam me up whilst you're at it, ye rather opaque doric speaking neep, ye
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Re: Learning to Fly - I already know, but ...

also just a thought, Pilot, you made a lot of references to "the clip" ... I am guessing meaning the music video. Most often, the songs are written LONG before even the THOUGHT of the video exists. So, when the song was written, I don't think Gilmour had the music video in mind.

I would personally try figuring out what the song means, in relation to his own personal life at the time.... perhaps trying to keep the band alive w/out Roger.... parralleled with the flight lessons he was taking at the time.

after I figure THAT out, then I'd pay attention to the images in the video. Usually, that's just the director's own personal idea of what goes with the song.... doesn't necessarily have much to do with the actual MEANING of the song itself.

....then again, just a thought.
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Um, beam me up whilst you're at it, ye rather opaque doric speaking neep, ye


Buut, I've got her wired like a Christmas Tree, I doont tink she can take much moer....
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I understand all your point of views guys, and now I just realized that I am a complete ignorant on the Pink Floyd subject...

When I was mentioning about the "emotional thing" on each sentence, thats what I was trying to understand. Although you have answered most of my questions, some new appeared and some still remains.

About the clip... the movie clip. There that guy with the black hat, he appears in the beginning... does anybony have any idea of his appearance? He stays till the end of the clip... what did the director think to put that guy and whats his function?

"Tounge tied & twisted, just an earthbound misfit"... "Unheeded"

Again, can anyone explain to me in the litterall way what does this sentence means? Hehehe, I don't know the litteral meaning, imagine the metaphor !

The last ones are about the "out of the corner of my watering eye"... does that means that he is crying ? watering eye? What does "out of the corner" means?

Also, "Could blow this sould right though the roof of the night"..

No idea again...

Thanks for the help, you guys are very clever on the PF subject.
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I really never thought about it until Fulghum mentioned it...but as a metaphor for the band the whole song Learning to Fly could be about Gilmore taking the reigns of the band for the first time. And maybe he's questioning himself as to how far he can lead the band as the frontman. All the references to "landing" running out of fuel etc might refer to his uncertainty as to how long Floyd will last without Roger.
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Greetings Pilot.

I can understand you confusion about the lyrics, IF you try to take them litterally, refering to flight and avaition related subjetcs.
Like most post Waters works, the songs and lyrics are a metaphor for Gilmours struggles keeping the band together and remaing creative and productive without Roger, and commentary about Roger himself.

I won't go through point by point but I'll give you my take on a few of the lines.

"Ribbon of Black..No turning back" Just a vieled reference to the unknown future, and commitment to carry on with The Floyd.

"Standing Alone, my senses reeled:.. Realization the he would head up PF without Roger as the creative force.

"Tounge tied & twisted, just an earthbound misfit"...Tounge in cheek reference to the fact the Dave acknowledeges that he is nowhere near the songwriter that Roger is.

Try thinking of the song in reference to Pink Floyds history and their situation at the time, and forget about the aviation aspect and it may make more sense.



While I guess, I buy this, Dave has said repeatedly that he was literally learning to fly at the time and this song was about that. I have no reason to believe he was lying.
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