If Roger had remained...

Point No.2 - You're right, I mean it's not like Roger has rehashed any of his old melodies over several albums or anything is it!

All true, but many people don't understand that P&C is in fact a 45-min song. And that will be a reason for a lot of people to dislike the album.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

His lyrics, innovative production and attention to detail more than make up for that. TDB has no saving grace other than its glossy sheen and one or two good guitar solos.

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what do you teach your children about me?
what do you teach your little children about me?
pimp, thug, bling drug lord of the undergrounded kings
how can you be so sure i won't call down the rain?
what do you teach your little children about me?
you point your gun, wait, hide and run. i see it plain

For that matters I've never seen a "solid argument" for why any album is a bad (nor good) album. When you say "The lyrics alone justify the price of entry to PCHH" it's far from being a "solid argument".

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"Don't you know there ain't no devil, it's just god when he's drunk." Tom Waits

Exactly, TDB is just a very simple album made for the casual Floydlistener.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

The lyrics, the guitar, the sax, the beautiful interplay between the acoustic guitar and the piano at one point and the way the amazing story takes you away. I think it't one of the most well written concept albums ever.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

Yadda yadda, both sides of this argument can spout as much rhetoric as they like but it's not going to change anyone's opinion.

Some of this is not about opinion like for instance i realise Yes' Close To The Edge is a brilliant album. Yet i couldn't listen to a single minute of it.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

Bollocks, of course it is, for instance in my opinion Yes are a load of pompous twats and I can't stand their music and the same goes for Genesis. You see - opinion.

I find it hard to see an end to this.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

There is no end, we're all doomed. DOOMED I tell you!

Doomed to discuss overall unimportant subjects over and over and over again.

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It's a crime that the swift should be held back by the slow, and it's criminal that nothing is going to rectify it.

Pull your nose out Rogers arse!

As waters gained more and more control over the band the music got weaker and weaker. I think gilmour largely responsible for the music in albums such as wywh, and its all about music right???

The final cut is great lyrically, musically its a pile of shite compared with earlier work, It would have been better as a book than as an album.

I agree with the theory thatthe quality of material would have further declined had Roger not left.

Have to agree with that one. I find amused to death listenable, but thats it.



Pull you nose our rogers arse too!! I like the music on AMLOR and TDB, i dont give to ****s if theres a few lines in the album that have no real meaning. Rogers lyrics may be good, but his music is weak, and if it sounds weak, its not a good album.

I just dont understand why people slate the AMLOR and TDB, which are musically very good, take wdywfm, lost for words, coming back to life (although it has cheesy lyrics i do not like), keep talking & Especially marooned. Then you look are the final cut, pchh and rk which have by comparison, very dull music, But it is about taste, i fail to see how the lyrics are more important than the music you hear though.