What is Less Floyd-like, TFC or TDB?

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Wow TDB is really getting the rap on this thread. My favorite album of all time getting butchered like this...Yannis I'm with you on this. TFC is plain boring, it's like Waters singing with Michael Kamen in the background with his orchestrations, along with the occational BDG guitar solo. Blah! Yet again, IMO though.

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I like both......All I can do is sit here with my mouth agape while you guys talk about how both TFC and TDB suck. I friggin' love TFC and I enjoy TDB. What's this about floyd-like sound? One of the reasons I love them is that they have such variation in sound, from not now john and young lust, to goodbye blue sky and welcome to the machine and everything in-between.

I absoluteley love everything from meddle on forward. All of it is great stuff to me. I hate to see the albums bashed in here, but then, I'm getting enjoyment out of them that the people bashing the albums don't.

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I consider TFC as a Roger Waters solo album with just the name "Pink Floyd" written on the cover, so for me it is the less Foydian of the two. In the TDB you can at least listen to Wright's voice, playing and writing and not only Gilmour's. Two of the Floyd IMO make for a more "Floyd-sounding" album since I think that their best songs have always been collaborations between more than one band member (Echoes, Us and Them, Shine On, Dogs, One of These Days...). I also think that TDB with more of a concept behind and Waters in there could have easily followed WYWH hadn't Waters taken so much control after this album.

BTW I consider AMLOR as much a solo album by Gilmour and friends as TFC a solo album by Waters and Kamen. If there is some continuity between WYWH and TDB there is a VERY clear line that goes from Gilmour's "About Face" to AMLOR.

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I must say, TDB is far too country sounded shit, much of it really. Some highlights, but not what I really think of Pink Floyd. TFC is much more heart-speaking, exactly what I also prefer with Pink Floyd. Okey, its a bit sad, maybe too sad at times, but what the heck, it feels like Roger actually put his soul into the work.

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Yeah, how horrible it is to have three such terrible people on one album

Interesting. My guess is that "Lapse" probably would have been a lot better had the same songs been realized by the same personnel on "About Face," with all pretensions of being Pink Floyd dropped.

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Dude, I love how TFC is sad. Sometimes you feel sad and the music seems to understand.

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Waters could've never written Dogs.

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I'm one of the few who like both TFC and TDB. I don't give a crap that neither sounds like Meddle or Dark Side. Big deal.

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Yes, it would have been a lot better and... it wouldn't have sold as half as many copies as it did...

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TDB is a nice album but for Floyd's standards it's pretty weak. It's easy to say Roger was better with lyrics and Dave with music thus TDB being musically superior. I think that's bullshit, frankly, sort of a cliche too. TFC is a beautiful album that captures a certain emotion only Roger was able to put in it. Wether TDB is musically superior or not, I don't care. It lacks the soul and emotion that makes TFC so outstanding. To me it isn't weak at all it has great guitar and sax solo's and overall just a great instrumentation. To me it just feels more ''real''. TDB to me seems more like your average stadium rock. It's an easily accessible album and it really feels like it was targeted at a wider audience. An album for the casual Floyd listener. TFC is very inaccessible and TDB doesn't take much effort to get into. People who can't really get into TFC will automatically say that it is weak but that's just not true. To me it's one of Floyd's best releases ever, probably better than The Wall. To answer to the question of which album is more ''Floyd-like'' it is probably TDB. But that's probably also the main problem with it. It feels like a poor attempt to rehash old days. Roger Waters is a musical genius and David Gilmour just isn't, he clearly is an outstanding guitar player but lacks the ability to put his heart and soul in an album the way Roger could. And therefor the music on TDB doesn't move me the way TFC does. TDB is not a bad album, it's full of good music. But Floyd has always made more than just good music. When Dave's stuff without Roger is compared to Roger's solo work and TFC it's so easy to see that Roger is an outstanding musician and Dave is just a good guitar player but lacks the ability to put that extra vibe in the music that has made Floyd what it once was.

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I agree on all (most) points. Final Cut is powerful, the first time I listened to it I was expecting something not very good because of all the negative reviews, but I just loved it. Which is more "Floyd-like"? Well to me Floyd were constantly evolving, constantly changing and going somewhere, their evolution is quite clear and TDB sounds like to quote the post above


So going by that criteria i'd say that Final Cut is more Floyd like, it is following the path that was paved by the Animals and The Wall, and then going by that criteria and following through I would then say that "The Pros And Cons of Hitch Hiking" is more Floyd-like than TDB.