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| They lyrics to Us and Them must be regarded as some of the finest that Roger Waters ever wrote, and the song one of the finest Pink Floyd ever recorded. Particularly impressive is Waters use of opposites (a technique frequently used by James Joyce and Vladimir Nabokov, though I am doubtful that’s where Waters took his inspiration from), Us-Them, Me-You, Forward-Rear, Up-Down. The stand out stanza for me is the first, it deals with a subject very close to Waters heart, namely war. As left wing writer Waters sympathies are always with the ‘ordinary men’ who are the pawns sent to die on the front line. Waters is not partisan, he is very clear that both sides suffer, the use of the word ‘we’ in that stanza links together the ordinary soldiers on both sides of the conflict. The emotive words ‘God only knows’ emphasise the horrors of war suffered by people who are ‘only ordinary men‘. Of course this song, like all songs, is meant to be heard (not read), and the way the music swells up into the second stanza (chorus) gives the song its emotional power. 'Forward he cried from the rear' (use of opposites) is followed by 'and the front rank died' , the third and fourth lines contrast the death of the ‘front rank’ ordinary soldiers with the General who sits in a room away from the fighting viewing a map that’s moving lines is at the expense of the lives of ’front rank’ soldiers. The song is based on a chord progression created by Rick Wright, played on guitar by Dave Gilmour who also did the singing, with the words being written by Roger Waters. It is also a fine example of what Pink Floyd were capable of when they worked together as a group. Us And Them Us and Them And after all we're only ordinary men Me, and you God only knows it's not what we would choose to do Forward he cried from the rear and the front rank died And the General sat, as the lines on the map moved from side to side Black and Blue And who knows which is which and who is who Up and Down And in the end it's only round and round and round Haven't you heard it's a battle of words the poster bearer cried Listen son, said the man with the gun There's room for you inside Down and Out It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about With, without And who'll deny that's what the fightings all about Get out of the way, it's a busy day And I've got things on my mind For want of the price of tea and a slice The old man died |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics We know the factual information you provided. But thank you anyway. I agree, Roger can write a very good lyric, that album is his best lyrically and conceptually, Money, Time, Eclipse, it's something about being able to sum up the things that no-one can really put into words very easily that makes it great, to me, Roger has always had that great ability. |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Yeah, i totally agree bout darkside having great lyrics. The mix of great poetry and how true it is, really does it for me. With the music it is Floyds best album, yeh, us and them is good.
__________________ When he rides, my fears subside, For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies, To find a land beyond the night. |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Of course, as with most of Waters' work, this is a piece in social commentary, and not a war story. |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics I like your analysis of the song. I agree, although, that's the one song on the album I ever skip (not every time, but sometimes it tends to drag). |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Yes, it is an excellent song. One of my favourites indeed.
__________________ Shine On |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Quote:
first, i hate track- skippers (yea, i can make up words) second, i love us and them. i consider your actions a crime
__________________ "I like to think that oysters transcend national barriers" "Ashes and diamonds, foe and friend, we were all equal in the end" "...So much behind us...still far to go...still far to go..." April 5, 2006 was amazing |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Get the rope, let's string him up!
__________________ Someone desrves a pat on the back. |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Interesting textual analysis. It helps because I tend to be less text oriented, and more form oriented. The overall mood of the song, and album, as a whole, fits in with my love of surrealism. I like the way it bends reality. That was a helpful post...thanks. |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Quote:
I like thinkig it as both.... after all... isn't our social way of living a constant war???
__________________ "And if the band you're in starts playing diferent tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics I personally always found the lyric at the end "For want of the price of tea and a slice, The old man died." to be one of the deepest lyrics I'd ever heard. Something about it always just got to me... even back when I was a youngun.
__________________ I am a flying cow... worship me or DIE!!! |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics Quote:
__________________ "And if the band you're in starts playing diferent tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" |
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| Re: Us and Them - One of Roger Waters best lyrics us and them... beautiful song, my favorite song's sentence is "And who knows which is which and who is who" i think that pulse's version is the best... |
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