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Old 09-19-2005, 09:08 AM
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What does "the stone" mean to you?

The concept of "the stone" is present in a lot of Waters' work. How do you interpret it?

And, as a second question, how do you interpret "pigs on the wing?"
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

The only time I can think of the stone being used is in Dogs. In Dogs he is referring to the consequences of all the poor/evil decisions the person made throughout his life. And he's drowning because it's dragging him down.

And as for Pigs on the Wing, I think it's kind of a dislaimer saying "this is how things could be if nobody cared for each other". Because at the end he says "well you know that I care for you". So it's like he's saying "this is all true but there's still good in the world".

That's my interpretation anyway. I haven't listened to Pink Floyd in ages.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

Well, it's also in a few places in The Wall, but the main one I know off the top of my head is in Hey, You.

"Hey, you, would you help me to carry the stone?"

I feel the same way about its meaning in Dogs, though, especially when in conjuction with the line "the bad blood slows and turns to stone."
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

and who'd have ever thought
this was how it would end for you and me
to carry my own millstone out of the trees
and i have to admit
i don't like it a bit
being left here beside
this lonesome road
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

I've always just thought, basically...
Stone = The weight of the world
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

Nah its not true. there is no repeating stone metapor
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

"help me roll away the stone" - Crying Song - More
something with bad decisions
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

I always interpreted it as some sort of burden, simple as that.
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In my eyes I believe that the stone is water's main burden of life. if you've seen live at pompeii they talk about becoming slaves or their own equipment which they were at one point getting very experimental with music. The music industry can be a big burden on life which can drag you down. I first heard the term "stone" in dogs which is basically about the industrial world.
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

Being in a 'winter olympics' frame of mind...the stone is something a curler slides along the ice...trying his/her darnedest to get it closest to the middle of a series of concentric cirles.
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

Hmmmm I think it all may stem back to here.. (Seems like I've heard a song with the guy's name in the title as well.. )

"The Myth of Sisyphus is an extended essay by Albert Camus, published originally in French in 1942 as Le Mythe de Sisyphe, and published in English in 1955. The essay's title comes from a story from Greek mythology. In the essay, Camus discusses the question of suicide and the value of life, using the myth of Sisyphus as a metaphor for life itself. In doing so he introduces the philosophy of the absurd, which holds that our lives are meaningless and have no values other than those we create. Given such a futile world, he asks, what is the alternative to suicide?

Sisyphus was a character in Greek mythology who upset the gods with his extraordinary wisdom. As punishment, he was sentenced to be blinded and to perpetually roll a giant boulder up a mountain to the peak, only to have it inevitably roll back down the mountain into the valley.

Camus develops the idea of the "absurd man", the man who is perpetually conscious of the ultimate futility of life. This, he says, is the only acceptable alternative to the unjustified leap of faith which forms the basis of all religion (and even of existentialism, which Camus therefore did not fully accept). The search for truth is seen as futile, as science has and will continue to change doctrines once thought irrefutable. Drawing on numerous philosophical and literary sources, and particularly Dostoevsky, Camus describes the historical development of absurd awareness and concludes that Sisyphus is the ultimate absurd hero.

In his essay, Camus has Sisyphus experiencing freedom for the one brief moment when he has stopped pushing the boulder before he has to start back down the mountain again. At that point, Camus felt that Sisyphus, even though blind, knew the view of the landscape was there and must have found this uplifting: "One must imagine Sisyphus happy", he declares. Returning to his original question, he concludes that suicide is never justified.

Camus presented Sisyphus' ceaseless and pointless toil as a metaphor for modern lives spent working at futile jobs in factories and offices. Some people find this metaphor comforting, since it makes them feel they are not alone, and indeed can draw a parallel between their life and the life of a character from the dawn of time.

A major difference between Sartre and Camus is that the latter suggests that some things and situations are out of human control (for example, death), whilst the former believes everything can be changed and manipulated, regardless of the situation or individual."
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Re: What does "the stone" mean to you?

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Being in a 'winter olympics' frame of mind...the stone is something a curler slides along the ice...trying his/her darnedest to get it closest to the middle of a series of concentric cirles.
Same thought here.
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Hmmmm I think it all may stem back to here..
Sounds plausible to me.
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