without waters...all hope is lost....

stratman · #31 08-27-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VeraKelley

i like the final cut....

I'm glad to hear that.

Sometimes I wonder if there are many young Floydians (beyond the Roger fanatics, of which you may or may not be one) who like TFC.

I like TFC because I relate to the story being told. While I vehemently disagree with Rog accusing Nixon, Thatcher, Reagan & Begin of being "tyrants", I sympathize with his sorrow at the death of the post-war dream.

But that has been the history of man. In just the last century, the post-war dream of 1918 was shattered in the 1930's. The postwar dream of which Roger speaks in TFC was destroyed by Joe Stalin, North Korea, Chairman Mao, Vietnam. The postwar dream of the end of the "cold war" with the USSR has been ruined by the rise of the Islamofascists. It never ends, postwar dreams evaporate, and I think that's what Roger laments.

Back on topic, post-Waters Floyd was different, but still very good, IMO. But that's because I'm a Gilmour fan.

AnimalInTheWall · #32 08-27-2006, 09:49 PM

Waters had no interest in a group setting anymore, as this record, which is hardly a Floyd album in many respects, illustrates.

VeraKelley · #33 08-28-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stratman

I'm glad to hear that.

Sometimes I wonder if there are many young Floydians (beyond the Roger fanatics, of which you may or may not be one) who like TFC.

I like TFC because I relate to the story being told. While I vehemently disagree with Rog accusing Nixon, Thatcher, Reagan & Begin of being "tyrants", I sympathize with his sorrow at the death of the post-war dream.

But that has been the history of man. In just the last century, the post-war dream of 1918 was shattered in the 1930's. The postwar dream of which Roger speaks in TFC was destroyed by Joe Stalin, North Korea, Chairman Mao, Vietnam. The postwar dream of the end of the "cold war" with the USSR has been ruined by the rise of the Islamofascists. It never ends, postwar dreams evaporate, and I think that's what Roger laments.

Back on topic, post-Waters Floyd was different, but still very good, IMO. But that's because I'm a Gilmour fan.

wow. you really know you'e stuff. Well, i am very young in comparison to most others on this board, and i am also a girl, making my minority even greater, but i really like the emotion in the final cut and other waters driven albums and songs. I might not always understand what he's saying, but i can feel the power and emotion, and it really gets me.

AnimalInTheWall · #34 08-28-2006, 12:47 PM

The Final Cut purposely alienates all but the dedicated listener.

stratman · #35 08-28-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VeraKelley

...i really like the emotion in the final cut and other waters driven albums and songs. I might not always understand what he's saying, but i can feel the power and emotion, and it really gets me.

Rog may be the best at packing a lot of meaning and emotion into a few lines of a song. I think he's the most intelligent songwriter of our time.
While I don't agree with him politically, I have enormous respect for his work, and like to read interviews he's had with various media.

VeraKelley · #36 08-29-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stratman

I think he's the most intelligent songwriter of our time.

i most definetly agree.

mad yannis · #37 08-30-2006, 02:56 AM

I think that if one dislikes Dark Side's music, dislikes Gilmour's songs on The Wall and loves... The Final Cut, well, this person should be perfectly happy with Roger Waters' solo stuff. I mean, it's clear you really don't need Pink Floyd at all, so why complaining?

Melo · #38 08-30-2006, 06:32 AM

Well said

Not Now John · #39 08-30-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimalInTheWall

The Final Cut purposely alienates all but the dedicated listener.

Bullshit.

Bride of a Bull · #40 08-30-2006, 08:24 AM

AnimalInTheWall · #41 08-30-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Now John

Bullshit.

I didn't say it.

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The Final Cut extends the autobiography of The Wall, concentrating on Roger Waters' pain when his father died in World War II. Waters spins this off into a treatise on the futility of war, concentrating on the Falkland Islands, setting his blistering condemnations and scathing anger to impossibly subdued music that demands full attention. This is more like a novel than a record, requiring total concentration since shifts in dynamics, orchestration, and instrumentation are used as effect. This means that while this has the texture of classic Pink Floyd, somewhere between the brooding sections of The Wall and the monolithic menace of Animals, there are no songs or hooks to make these radio favorites. The even bent of the arrangements, where the music is used as texture, not music, means that The Final Cut purposely alienates all but the dedicated listener. Several of those listeners maintain that this is among Pink Floyd's finest efforts, and it certainly is an achievement of some kind -- there's not only no other Floyd album quite like it, it has no close comparisons to anybody else's work (apart from Waters' own The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking, yet that had a stronger musical core). That doesn't make this easier to embrace, of course, and it's damn near impenetrable in many respects, but with its anger, emphasis on lyrics, and sonic textures, it's clear that it's the album that Waters intended it to be. And it's equally clear that Pink Floyd couldn't have continued in this direction -- Waters had no interest in a group setting anymore, as this record, which is hardly a Floyd album in many respects, illustrates. Distinctive, to be sure, but not easy to love and, depending on your view, not even that easy to admire.

Melo · #42 08-30-2006, 09:21 AM

So, you forgot to put "".

AnimalInTheWall · #43 08-30-2006, 09:22 AM

I'm sorry everyone.

Wiggy · #44 08-30-2006, 12:04 PM

The Final Cut is good. Just not enough cool guitar solo stuff. I'm more of a David Gilmour Fan, but I don't hate anything wrote in the 'Floyd's name. I just like David Gilmour more, because he is a guitarist and thats my favorite instrument.

He also now owns Pink Floyd. :P

All in all, Pink Floyd, wether it's with or without Roger, has a good sound. It's just a little... weaker. But with Polly helping write, the songs are better on TDB, than AMLoR.

I dunno what the big deal is, really. If you don't like something, then don't listen to it and stop complaining about it on a message board. Sure Roger should have not ruined Pink Floyd like that, but it just happened. Live with it and go listen to the Best of Pink Floyd. Rock on eh.

AnimalInTheWall · #45 08-30-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiggy

the Best of Pink Floyd.

Echoes?

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