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Old 11-06-2006, 02:48 PM
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It would be the first time Kev was really hung.

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The word is 'hanged' anyway, so it does not work.
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The word is 'hanged' anyway, so it does not work.

OED states that both are correct. And anyway it's a reference to Blazing Saddles.
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I'd learned it as 'hanged' for the act of hanging a person, and hung for everything else. Didn't get the reference, though, it's been a while since I've seen Blazing Saddles.
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Hanged is an archaic form, and has most likely stuck around because legal dialect tends to stick to conservative prescriptivist language (necessitating archaic terms). Both hanged and hung are past tense forms derived from the same verb, though, so it's hardly incorrect to use hung, which has been established as normative elsewhere.

This is actually a large issue of debate in some circles (descriptivism v. prescriptivism).
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Hanged is an archaic form, and has most likely stuck around because legal dialect tends to stick to conservative prescriptivist language (necessitating archaic terms). Both hanged and hung are past tense forms derived from the same verb, though, so it's hardly incorrect to use hung, which has been established as normative elsewhere.

This is actually a large issue of debate in some circles (descriptivism v. prescriptivism).

Correct me if I am wrong but the same is true with the word "drunk".
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"Boy, I sure got drinked last night."

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Yeah, 'drunk' is hardly ever used as the pp. of 'drink', 'drank' is more preferred. 'Drunk' is more often used as an adjective. While 'hanged' is (as I've been taught) only used as the pp. of the act of hanging a person. Never as 'she hanged up the coat', 'hung' would be used then.
You may be right, NNJ, about 'drunk' being an archaic form of 'drank', but as Dictionary. com says, 'Using drunk in front of a noun is usually considered unacceptable in formal style. . .'

I know this is all trivial, but why would I pass up a chance to correct GTM's grammar?
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Yeah, 'drunk' is hardly ever used as the pp. of 'drink', 'drank' is more preferred. 'Drunk' is more often used as an adjective. While 'hanged' is (as I've been taught) only used as the pp. of the act of hanging a person. Never as 'she hanged up the coat', 'hung' would be used then.
You may be right, NNJ, about 'drunk' being an archaic form of 'drank', but as Dictionary. com says, 'Using drunk in front of a noun is usually considered unacceptable in formal style. . .'

I know this is all trivial, but why would I pass up a chance to correct GTM's grammar?

Actually drunk and drank can both be used quite correctly as verbs. The difference is that drank is past tense and drunk is past participle: I drank my beer / I have drunk my beer. NNJ is correct that negative association with the term 'drunk' as adjective or noun has made the standard past participle form of drink less preferred in some circles, and thus drank is usually accepted as both past tense and past participle: I have drank my beer. This latter still sounds glaringly off to me, but that's language for you.

This is assuming that that's what NNJ meant with his comment. If indeed he meant that drunk is archaic and has been grandfathered in by the legal system, he's wrong.
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I didn't even think of 'I have drunk. . .' I hardly ever use that form. This language of ours. . .
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I'm glad it has all been cleared up, hurrah for Gerald.
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Actually drunk and drank can both be used quite correctly as verbs. The difference is that drank is past tense and drunk is past participle: I drank my beer / I have drunk my beer. NNJ is correct that negative association with the term 'drunk' as adjective or noun has made the standard past participle form of drink less preferred in some circles, and thus drank is usually accepted as both past tense and past participle: I have drank my beer. This latter still sounds glaringly off to me, but that's language for you.

This is assuming that that's what NNJ meant with his comment. If indeed he meant that drunk is archaic and has been grandfathered in by the legal system, he's wrong.

That's exactly what I meant. I was corrected by my German teacher, of all people, a loooong time ago.
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