In the Flesh DVD Jon Carin

Just a small reply to all those people saying Gilmour is greedy, and therefore wanted to make more albums. Given the fact that Waters is a very ego-maniacal guy who is always on the hunt for credits, well he got almost all the credits on THE WALL, which is one of their best selling albums. By deduction, you can conclude that eventually Roger is probably the richest person of the band. What does he do with all that money ???? Roger is very keen on propagating peace and charity, but is he also representing these values so precious to him. I don't think so. Just think about the enduring feud between Waters and Pink Floyd in the 90's.
BTW, It was the statement from Waters in 1985 that they could not carry on without him that made Gilmour decide to make another album. Even Waters admitted in a recent interview that Gilmour and Mason were both in angst that they would not sell albums or tickets for their shows. It's easy for people now to accuse Gilmour for being greedy, but in 1986-87 it needed some gutts to carry on without Waters. It was just like in 1968, when theu dropped Barrett; nobody believed they would make it !!!! BTW, in 1987, AMLOR was hailed for the most part as a masterpiece, even by Floyd-fans, and Floyd-fanzines.

Here is my take on the whole split-up thing. Waters left because he said, creatively, Pink Floyd ceased to be. He was right (all you critics of TFC have to agree). He left, then fought Gilmour over the use of the name for fear that he would be associated with something that was inferior (he was, by his own admission, wrong). Waters went on to a solo career, with renewed interest in music. Dave and gang felt re-invigorated after being released from Waters grasp. They went on to create new music. I may not like TDB, and I feel that AMLOR could've been a lot better (it was ok, and just ok), and may favor the Waters-dominated albums, but I still feel that Gilmour's Floyd is legitimate Floyd, just not as good.

Wow, Not Now John.

I never thought I'd be agreeing with you, but ... well said. :smile:

Doyle is the biggest boach of a guitar player....just get a load of his red velvet jumpsuit and african tribal amulet made of bones. Take jimmy hendrix and add a little bit of jim morrison egoism on a bad acid trip and you have doyle.....oh maybe I'll take a left handed guitar string in backwards and try to play life Guilmour + Mark Knoffler......give me a break....Guilmour just couldn't put up with Water's obsession with control.....and his drifing from music to weird prose poetic political anthems....

I agree that Jon Carin did an amazing job with the vocals on "Dogs". He went to great pains to duplicate exactly every nuance of Dave's solo. And his voice even sounded a lot like Dave's to me; maybe just a touch "less-hoarse"(ten times better? No effen way Ho-Zay). I was impressed. And I thought it was a tribute by him to Dave. Jon and Dave are friends and have worked a lot together.

I for one, like Doyle Bramhall. So what if he dresses in the Tex-Mex style of South Texas? At least he comes by it honestly. He grew up in Austin. He knows and played with the Vaughans, Stevie Ray and Jimmy...So why shouldn't he pay tribute to them with his style? Doyle did a good job re-creating Dave's solos and tone. Who cares if he plays left-handed and strings it upside down? The results are in the sound, and he sounds good. Eric Clapton, Peter Green and Roger himself all feel Doyle is a tremendous talent. Streetpunk, I would suggest you stick with Wes Borland and Dimebag Darrell.

Downhill? The only time Floyd went downhill was when Roger fired Richard Wright, and when Roger decided to call a "solo" work a Floyd album--in that of "The Final Cut", which was the worst Floyd effort I have ever heard! That is when the dand died creatively! Roger thought he was some kind of "King" like Sting of The Police, and thought he could just wave his Kingly sceptor and order the end of Pink Floyd like Sting did with The Police. Sorry Roger, Floyd's a team! Always was a team effort with the exception of The Final Cut and FORCED dominance on creation of some parts of The Wall. Pink Floyd to me is Obscured By Clouds; Pink Floyd to me is Meddle; Pink Floyd to me is The Dark Side of the Moon; Pink Floyd to me is Wish You Were Here; Pink Floyd to me is Umma Gumma; Pink Floyd to me is Atom Heart Mother; As far as I'm concerned, Roger can take The Final Cut, Radio KAOS, The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking and Amused to Death and stick them where the sun doesn't shine! Contrary to his warped belief, Pink Floyd was not soley and only Waters' creatively. In fact, most of the music (not the later 70's stuff) was the other three combined more so than him by himself, while he wrote the lyrics. If you say Dave shouldn't have called "Lapse of Reason" and Division Bell" Floyd records, then Roger certainly shouldn't have called The Final Cut a Floyd Record! At least Dave had Wright and Mason along with him for the last 2 Floyd efforts! Who did Roger have during The Final Cut besides Dave making a "Saving Face" cameo on "Not Now John"? Division Bell and Lapse of Reason are GREAT FLOYD albums and are more simular to their early 70's work and less simular to The Final Cut and parts of The Wall--thank God! I would love to see Roger come back to the band and there be a reunion, but not if he is going to act like a Dictator! I'd only like to see it if they can all work together as a team, then I think you will get a record as good as Dark Side of the Moon!

Amen.

i've noticed that a lot of people use that dave avatar huh?

I noticed the same.

Yeah. Looks a lot like Jesus. Oh Christ! I think I've ignited another Goddamned Religious firefight!

Arnold, I hate to rain on your parade, but...

Roger took what the rest of the boys didn't want from The Wall, and started to write a new album around it. He asked them if he should take it solo and they said no, they wanted it to be a Floyd album. Then they decided they didn't like the direction it was going, so they stopped giving input (though I am sure Rog was glad they made the desicion they did). He wrote it solely, that's why the credits say by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd. It was his solo album all along.

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It's so strange to me that 3 creative people who are capable of creating a 'masterpiece' could allow one person to dominate them.
Would you rather have a floyd album written by founding member Roger Waters or have them hire 10 outside players and writers to make a floyd album?

i would go with the former.

Neither - not if the Floyd album written by Waters sounds like The FInal Cut.