The ringing of the division bell...

Does any one remmeber SYD ?

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Yeah? What about him?

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FW, the proof is in the pudding. Do you or anyone else think that Roger actually writes the drum parts or the guitar solos or the keyboard parts? I know you didn't say that, but I think sometimes people give Roger too much credit. I think it's hilarious if anyone here thinks that he wrote all of Dave Gilmour, Eric Clapton, or Jeff Becks guitar parts.

APL, No problem man.

Exactly, and it all depends on how bands credit who writes the songs. This varies from band to band. Most bands, don't consider drum parts "significant" enough to warrant a writing credit, though it depends on the song. "Time" for instance, where Nick's drums were a great part of the song got him writing credit for that one. But, I'm sure Nick wrote 90% of his drum parts in Floyd, even though he was not credited. On another note, as has been pointd out, Roger is not overly generous with his writing credits, and often passes other's work off as his own. It's a well known fact that originally Roger wanted no other musicians to recieve credit on The Wall album. Of course, he ended up having to give in when he decided to use stuff written exclusively by David. Even still, he stiffed David and Bob Ezrin. "Is There Anybody Out There" was written by Bob Ezrin, yet Roger was credited. David contributed parts to many songs, including "Another Brick In the Wall". (And I don't mean guitar solos, which were all David's work, I'm refering to entire chord sets and/or bass parts.) "Minor" contributions such as this were often overlooked by Roger. He loved to slap his name anywhere he could. And notice how Roger's name is first, David's second on "Young Lust" even though David totally rewrote Roger's original version of that song. The Wall is hardly the only album where Roger did this, but it was a prime example, simply because he thought of it as his project.

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But you can't catch the words they say,
Close ears and eyes,
Be on your way"

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Perfect, I really understand your point and where you are coming from. I have a question though in the Echoes Best album it lists Pink Floyd as all four members. And with the recent news of Glatonbury do you or any of you think that Pink Floyd has reunited behind closed doors? I just observed this and it brings a light of hope.

Get out of the road if you want to grow old

2nd time: wheres glastonbury?


Yeah, Roger wrote ATD all by himself. Why the hell should Roger Waters give someone writing credits just for the drumming parts or the keyboard parts. Have you heard Nick Mason's drumming people? There are close to no fill solos whatsoever. And the one song where Nick Mason does "shine on" with his drums...is the one song that all four members got writing credits for(Time). WOW, imagine that!

Heres another way to tell that Roger wrote every song on an album: When there are no guitar riffs on any song.(riff= Young Lust, Run Like Hell, Goodbye Blue Sky, Learning to Fly) Most of Water's songs are simple chords.(chords=Watching T.V., Every Strangers Eyes, Welcome to the Machine). That's how I know Roger completely wrote ATD. Also, Roger had all of the songs written before he sent the first draft to Jeff Beck. And why the hell should Beck get writing credits for songs he didn't write.


Why the hell should Gilmour get credits for writing an over-ambitious guitar solo in Comfortably numb. publius enigma The background music was frigging orchestrated for ****'s sake, so that doesn't count either.

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Madcap...there's a lot of stuff that is not acknowledged. Another Brick in The Wall, for example, got it's rhythm / beat from Nick Mason. That is one example of a very well known Pink Floyd song that would be totally different today if it wasn't for Nick Mason, and I think the point people are trying to make is that there are millions of cases where people contributed to songs but because Roger wrote the words, and the BASIC tune, he gets all the credit.

I'm not too sure what your tyrade about Gilmour and CN was all about...he wrote the music to that song, period.

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Don't waste your breath. It's just another guy who has got his head up Rogers arse. Yeah Madcap. He wrote the guitar solos. Roger is the greatest guitar player ever. Of course he wrote the rythum parts. That's not what i was talking about, and I never said he didn't. Thoes guitar solos I guess would be overambitious to someone who has no idea how to play a guitar let alone play an A chord. It seems that Roger buggery is at an all time high.

Hey,

I think the story about Roger and Nick playing together at Glastonbury is definitely true. In the BBC radio documentary it was said that they've meet in the caribic and that mason is probably going to play with him.
Now i think it sounds far more possible.

Funny,funny...

Well, eug'axe, I think that the further you go in Mr. Waters' solo career, the more LIKELY it is he does all those things...but I would not be surprised if there were people who were uncredited.

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I'm sure he does do more now, but I refuse to believe that he wrote Jeff Becks guitar solos.It's impossible.

MadcapDiamond: Glastonbury is in the UK.

Bare..Feelings: I want a reunion as much as you do, but I just don't think it will happen. Who knows, maybe we're all in for a shock. We'll just have to wait and see. The only thing I know is that Roger is definitely free to perform at the festival, as his tour finishes at the Wembley Arena the day before the festival and he will likely still be in England. If it does turn out to be true, with he and Nick performing as Floyd, I'm pretty much against it. If the Floyd had totally broken up in '85 after doing TFC as a three piece and not done anything since I could ALMOST see Rog and Nick as a Floyd reunion. But, obviously this was not the case, and given the fact that for the past 16 years Floyd has been Nick, Rick and David, and given Rog's attitude toward Floyd during this time, I'm highly against this (should it happen) being billed as Pink Floyd. As it is, David's reformed Floyd always faced skepticism regarding it's credibility as Pink Floyd. This new incarnation would be a further step down in my opinion.

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I think it would actually reflect the WORST on Mr. Mason...what a turncoat, if this is true.

At least the three-piece Floyd has a legitimate claim to the name.

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er, why would it reflect the worst on Mr. Mason? Because he gets along better with roger than rick or dave?
I don't know what you want to say, FloydWaters.

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